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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Anyone considering teaching in America???? |
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I have given it thought many times over the past 2 years, but decided I would try teaching in Korea first and go for an adventure to Asia which I always wanted to do since I was young.
Well, I have been here several months, gained a great deal of insight into Korean and Asian people, culture, and values and find that I would not want to continue living here after this one year. It's a gift and a real priveledge to be experienced and educated on the world (not my first international travel/work), but Korea is not where I want to teach nor live in the long term future.
I have been really thinking about that I can go somewhere in America (possibly Florida) where there is a high immigrant population with enormous cultural diversity to go teach, becuase this is what I relate to most and associate with despite growing up in a small town in the middle of the USA. A very good way to also give back to your country and do something to help inspire children to be better citizens in the the future while helping yourself along in a career, instead of just complaining about America lacking values, declining culture, and degrading politics.
This would be an extension of what I started doing here in Korea, a continuation of what I started doing many many years ago. Learning and sharing knowledge. I already teach math, science, literacy, phonics, art, and music to kindergarten and elementary students here and find I get job satisfaction and more meaning in life out of sharing my knowledge, effort, and expertise to help inspire the next generation along into the future. This means so much more than simply making money in some line of business doing a revenue producing business process.
I am gaining experience here in Korea that would serve me well regardless of where I choose to go teach and live, but am displease with foul business ethics in hogwan operation. While I majored in international business in my undergraduate studies, I want to give a little while I take a little, rather than just take-take-take like capitists do (hogwans too) My pay better be in the bank tonight!
Generally, the opportunity offered in American public schools goes like this: Commit 3 years to a public school district in elementary education, start at $35,000 a year (no peculiar deductions or worries), get many more vacation breaks than hogwan or Korean public school, full benefits, full health and dental paid, and a masters degree completely paid for. (actual opportunity for professional development) You even get your teaching credentials taken care of by your district or the state you are in. You can live anywhere in America you so choose. You can take weekend and holiday trips around the USA or to central and south America, the Carribean, even Europe, especially if your single.
Once you achieve your masters degree after studying part time during your 3 year teaching commitment, you can move on to higher paying professional lines of work and build a portfolio to prepare for retirement. I have a hunch that this is what I need to jump on when I am finished in Korea and to prepare ahead of time. Hours roughly run 8:30AM to 3:00PM and then you do have more prep and study, but it offers more rewards.
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I taught science at a private school in the Virgin Islands for two years. When I think of returning to the states, I think of my parents first and the islands second. If my family lived there, I would return in a heartbeat.
I am here for martial arts and money, but I hope to return the VI in the future--perhaps settle there.
If you want diversity, go to the VI: Blacks, Frenchies, East indians, Trinidad east indians, Chinese, Arabs, Eastern European Immigrants, Domincans, Haitians, other islanders.
Public Schools are tough; so stay at a private school. Buy a boat, travel the Caribbean on your vacation. Eat Mangos, wake up to the sun and eat a Roti.
While I was there I had the oppuntunity to sail twice a month, and I even made it to Trinidad on a two week voyage.
[url]www. vimovincenter.com [/url] |
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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Not to knock you, but why does everyone seem to come to Korea for the money? It's not really that much. It comes up to $30,000 for a year total remuneration, less than what America pays teachers and yet Korea is more expensive on food, clothing, and electronics.
Of course, it is good to experience Korea for one year (if you got a fair employer) to learn more about the world which can make you a very special educator for life, a real scholar, and a gentleman/woman.
It only requires any kind of bachelors to teach in America just the same as in Korea, but it does take 8 months too long to get a job in America. I come to Korea to travel the Asia side of the world, to learn, and to mentally grow. Of course the money is highly important as it is for everyone, but I am not only chasing money here. (not chasing p*ssy here either) There are better ways to chase money back in America. |
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oxfordstu

Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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bixlerscott wrote: |
Not to knock you, but why does everyone seem to come to Korea for the money? It's not really that much. It comes up to $30,000 for a year total remuneration, less than what America pays teachers and yet Korea is more expensive on food, clothing, and electronics.
Of course, it is good to experience Korea for one year (if you got a fair employer) to learn more about the world which can make you a very special educator for life, a real scholar, and a gentleman/woman.
It only requires any kind of bachelors to teach in America just the same as in Korea, but it does take 8 months too long to get a job in America. I come to Korea to travel the Asia side of the world, to learn, and to mentally grow. Of course the money is highly important as it is for everyone, but I am not only chasing money here. (not chasing p*ssy here either) There are better ways to chase money back in America. |
Uhh, sorry, but you're a bit off base here. It requires a bit more than a B.A. to teach in America. I went through 2 more years of schooling after my B.A. to get my teaching credential, including 6 months of student teaching which I did not get paid for. And I'll be paying on the loans I took out for many years to come. So to a new graduate who wants to teach, Korea looks pretty good. |
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big shooter
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Not to knock you, but why does everyone seem to come to Korea for the money? It's not really that much. It comes up to $30,000 for a year total remuneration, less than what America pays teachers and yet Korea is more expensive on food, clothing, and electronics. |
From a purely financial perspective, teaching in Korea provides graduates with a great opportunity to pay off any outstanding student debts...while food, clothing and entertainment is equivalent or slightly more than North America, 99% of those teaching in Korea have no monthly payments to make on vehicles or rent/mortgage which are the main costs of living at home... |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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I might cash in on teaching Asians or other ethinicities English in a large city but never a public school. I've still got student loans to pay off and America is too darn expensive. Personal safety is also a major reason not to teach in the US's delapidating schools. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Location: at my wit's end
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Anyone considering teaching in America???? |
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bixlerscott wrote: |
Generally, the opportunity offered in American public schools goes like this: Commit 3 years to a public school district in elementary education, start at $35,000 a year (no peculiar deductions or worries), get many more vacation breaks than hogwan or Korean public school, full benefits, full health and dental paid, and a masters degree completely paid for. (actual opportunity for professional development) . |
If you don't mind working in places where even Rambo wouldn't go!
And if by professional development you mean useless meetings about policy and required trips out of town, then ok...
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You can take weekend and holiday trips around the USA or to central and south America, the Carribean, even Europe, especially if your single.
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Trust me, when the weekend comes, you'll need the time to do things like laundry, dishes, or yard work. It may be possible to go to Disneyland in the Summer, but I seriously doubt you'd be able to take a more *exotic* vacation on a teacher's salary.
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Once you achieve your masters degree after studying part time during your 3 year teaching commitment, you can move on to higher paying professional lines of work and build a portfolio to prepare for retirement. |
If you're doing what I think you're doing, you're going through an ALP (Alternative Licensure Program), in which case, your degree will be a Master of Arts in Teaching. Also, you'll most likely be required to teach the subject you did your undergrad in (Business) in order to be a "highly qualified teacher" (thank you, George Bush!)
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I have a hunch that this is what I need to jump on when I am finished in Korea and to prepare ahead of time. Hours roughly run 8:30AM to 3:00PM and then you do have more prep and study, but it offers more rewards. |
Yeah, 8:30-3 on paper, but you'll spend countless hours at home grading and prepping!
As rusmesiter said, the only free cheese is in a mousetrap. |
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MikeJ123
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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bixlerscott wrote: |
Not to knock you, but why does everyone seem to come to Korea for the money? It's not really that much. It comes up to $30,000 for a year total remuneration, less than what America pays teachers and yet Korea is more expensive on food, clothing, and electronics.
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You seem to see just the inital amount instead of the bottom line. If you made just $30k-$40 back home, how much do you think you'll be left end of the month after all those bills you have to pay just to live. Most likely couple $100 bucks. It's cheaper to eat and shop here. You might see certain things cheaper back home but overall it is cheaper here.
One question. How much did you save up in one year when you were back home? |
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mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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A years teaching in the U.S. is the last stop on my 'round the world teaching plan. Korea is year one, and I am now 3 months in.
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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If you're genuinely interested in teaching, but don't have your teaching certs, this might interest you:
http://www.teachforamerica.org/ |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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oneofthesarahs wrote: |
If you're genuinely interested in teaching, but don't have your teaching certs, this might interest you:
http://www.teachforamerica.org/ |
Teach for America puts you in the worst schools throughout America's ghettoes. These are basically for jobs where school districts have a very hard time recruiting with good reason.
I tried teaching in the States and needless to say, I got really burnt. I hastily grabbed my life and ran to Korea. Been very happy since. Don't think I will try high school teaching again once I return someday. |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Well, yeah, that's the point. But you get great training and a good support system. I have a few friends who have gone through the program, and if you are genuinely passionate about teaching, it's a good way to go. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Anyone considering teaching in America???? |
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bixlerscott wrote: |
Well, I have maintained patience for 3 months and feeling not so sure about Koreans and Korea
Well, I have been here several months, gained a great deal of insight into Korean and Asian people, culture, and values |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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oneofthesarahs wrote: |
Well, yeah, that's the point. But you get great training and a good support system. I have a few friends who have gone through the program, and if you are genuinely passionate about teaching, it's a good way to go. |
Good support system? I have had a few friends who were not treated like real teachers in their placed schools; they were constantly reminded that "Teach For America" teachers are not "real teachers" and thus were never accorded the respect of an equal teacher ever. They all told me the same thing. Being genuinely passionate about the teaching craft is a great thing, but I rather do it somewhere where I get the respect of teachers, administrators and students. I don't think I myself could be passionate enought to put of with daily disrespect and isolation. I guess the same could be said about some hagwons. A truly passionate teacher would put up with being exploited and doormatted for the selfless sake of the students. It's positively quixotic and not sensible. |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I subbed in CA for a while, it was okay. I also taught test-prep off & on for a long time in US. One luxury I have here in Seoul is that my students are all very motivated - as a teacher, that means so much to me. |
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