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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Travelous Maximus wrote: |
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My point exactly.....7 bucks an hour is a drop in bucket when compared against the millions of Won that an ESL teacher can potentially rake in. Sheesh, 7 bucks an hour woundn't even cover my monthly gas bills for my car. I think I'm fortunate that I live in a city that's considered the economic engine of the country I live in......jobs are plentiful.
But many are not as fortunate as I, and must face with the realities of living in Small town USA or barren rocks such as PEI, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan......where good paying jobs are hard to come by.
It comes down to money, and that is why all of you are in Korea....cuz money talks. And I think that given a choice, most of you would rather not be in Korea and be back home if you had the same earning power...and were able to get girlfriends from your home countries. |
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I think anyone can get a GF from our own country. But judging from the fact that more than 50% of Western women and men are considered obese by medical standards, what are the odds that you are going to land someone that is near what you like compared to the never ending supply of attractive females over here? The odds are simply better and theres no loser/not a loser argument about it. |
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tareze
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Location: north or south of a river
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm |
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Xingyiman... do you really think that the intelligent, adventurous women who end up here in the first case would sarifice opportunities because "guys they would normally not touch with a ten foot pole back home are ignoring them in leiu of all the thinner and prettier local gals".
I personally find that kinda hard to believe????? Maybe just maybe your theory gives too much credit to those 'guys'. |
Basically what I am saying is what many have said previously. All else combined the fact that they can't "throw their weight around" like they did back home factors into it. And they find out that it's tough for them in the relationship category because they simply don't hold the cards like they used to. Trust me when you are surrounded by a bunch of men who you wouldn't give them time of day to back in the West, men who normally fawn all over you if you are even half average, are totally snubbing you don't think that doesn't do a numjber on your self esteem. Also all Western women are preocupied with weight and attractiveness and the comtetition with the thinner Koreans is not even competition at all from the Western perspective looking from the Korean frame of reference. |
no. really. guys who are not suitable at home don't become suitable in Korea. if they are fawning over me at home they are the guys who after a tolerable while of it has passed, i excuse myself, or if they are rude then i become twice as rude just to keep the situation from becoming harrasment. fawning is a crappy method anyway. it's not a holding the cards thing...more a playing with half the deck... |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm |
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| tareze wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| kalbi wrote: |
Xingyiman... do you really think that the intelligent, adventurous women who end up here in the first case would sarifice opportunities because "guys they would normally not touch with a ten foot pole back home are ignoring them in leiu of all the thinner and prettier local gals".
I personally find that kinda hard to believe????? Maybe just maybe your theory gives too much credit to those 'guys'. |
Basically what I am saying is what many have said previously. All else combined the fact that they can't "throw their weight around" like they did back home factors into it. And they find out that it's tough for them in the relationship category because they simply don't hold the cards like they used to. Trust me when you are surrounded by a bunch of men who you wouldn't give them time of day to back in the West, men who normally fawn all over you if you are even half average, are totally snubbing you don't think that doesn't do a numjber on your self esteem. Also all Western women are preocupied with weight and attractiveness and the comtetition with the thinner Koreans is not even competition at all from the Western perspective looking from the Korean frame of reference. |
no. really. guys who are not suitable at home don't become suitable in Korea. if they are fawning over me at home they are the guys who after a tolerable while of it has passed, i excuse myself, or if they are rude then i become twice as rude just to keep the situation from becoming harrasment. fawning is a crappy method anyway. it's not a holding the cards thing...more a playing with half the deck... |
I NEVER said that guys in Korea that you didn't give the time of day to back homewould be suitable here. All I am saying is that good, bad, or ugly....whatever the case the Western man is gonna have a better choice here than he does back home. Your good looking guys will be able to get totally extreme, knockout gals and your average to below average ones will still be able to do well. Then you've all gotta deal with the minute minority of Korean guys with which you could possibly have any kind of a relationhsip wIth and that doesn't leave lots of room for you to move then does it? Hence the disatisfation. I am tired of overexplaining this. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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in virtually all animal species...the young males are driven out from the pride or the group upon reaching adulthood. they then have to wander often long distances to find and set up a territory of their own.
Males travelling more and ending up in foreign countries is an entirely natural phenomena. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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From a sociological / psychological / anthropological (is there one term that combines all of those - hmmm, there is but I'm not getting it this morning...) point of view isn't it also a case that women care more about things like family and social / support networks, thus they don't want to spend too long far away from them... especially if working in a hakwan in a job that they're not really into...?
Guys on the other hand only need a few close(ish) friends and to see the familly once in a blue moon and are less likely to feel guilty about it or feel a strong pull back towards it...?
Sorry, ladies, don't mean to generalise, but I'm sure there's a case to be made for this...
Of course there are lots of other factors to consider why one of either sex would stay here long term - money, liking the country and culture, liking working esl, and yes romantic / sexual interests too.
For me it's mostly being able to save decently and work as few hours as possible whilst feeling a sense of (now dwindling after three years) adventure. I do get more opportunities with the opposite sex here than I did in the UK, (not only with Koreans though, a few westerners too, but they were Americans and I think it's the novelty value of being an okay looking, well spoken, outspoken, English guy that does it for me there - ha ha ha. Not many Canadians or fellow Brit girls give me much time of day, but I think it's a personality thing, I never have gotten on well with fellow Brit girls, unless they too have been slight outsiders, I don't fit the correct mold) I guess here I'm a medium to slightly large fish in a medium sized pond rather than a small fish in a huge pond in London.
But I have to say if other things weren't going well - primarilly the ability to save well while working as few hours as possible and not having to share housing - then just getting more attention from the ladies wouldn't be enough to keep me here. The novelty of the demure, naive Korean girl wears off all to soon.... Hell, I'd be in Japan if that were the case! The ammounts of girlfriends (who LIKE men, unlike K girls) guys I've met there have... I'm pretty sure that would go for most guys, non?
Well that's my take on the whole shebang. |
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kalbi
Joined: 27 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Venus |
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| Your family/social network suggestion makes some sense. Could be.... |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| gdnchg wrote: |
| But, for some reason.....I highly doubt that any corporation would offer you a 'real corporate job' coming back home straight from ESL teaching. Clerical work or call centre positons are not real corporate jobs in my opinion.....ESL working experience is useless back home. |
Although teaching experience will be useless back home, companies are always looking for people who are willing to relocate. I worked in transportation in the United States, and I made more money than I otherwise would have because I was always willing to relocate when other employees would not. One thing about my resume that looks good is that I worked in four different cities in three different states with the same corporation, because that's what they asked of me. A month from now, I will be completing a one year contract on another continent.
If anyone who works here gets asked the question, "Are you willing to relocate?" in a job interview, their work here will speak volumes.
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If these native k girls were gyopos, it severely diminishes the foreign esl male teacher from getting gfs in korea. I think it's fair to say not being to find girls in your home countries is a strong pull to come to Korea to date K-girls who just don't know better. What I'm saying is that in addition to the lure of money, the possibility of actually having a girl is an even stronger pull.
Why do you think male foreign esl teachers in Korea hate on gyopos so much? Because gyopos can see through and beyond the foreign esl teacher that native koreans can't. Now, I'm not saying it applies to all of you..but damn alot of you. |
All of the foreign guys I know are dating gyopos here. I seem to be the only exception, but my favorite girlfriend isn't even Korean. I think it's because gyopos are Western and there's a higher degree of compatibility both culturally and linguistically. Actually, a lot of gyopos are foreign ESL teachers. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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all of the above,
also, people are just leveraging their assets, whatever they may be. It's all about leveraging folks and getting the most results for them. |
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vino-luvva
Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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As a female whom would NOT want to be a lifer here in KOrea..
WHY??
*SEoul lacks alot a Soul, and beauty.
*I dont get so easily impressed by the Korean spirit, of 'Im a hotshot cos I make lotsa coin'..so what??
*If you are a creative person, which many woman are, then Seouls bland enviornment may chase one away.
*Maybe some of us woman prefer a more spontaneous lifestyle.
*I feel sorry for the 'shallow' ideals of many K girls here, whom think that doning Loius Vutton bags and choco chanel belts is so impressive and deeming them succesful and so 'interesting'..I dont submit to this sort of behaviour, so find it difficult to live in a place with such attitudes.
* maybe woman Do get tired of often seeing drunk men throwing up on the streets
* and..in all honesty, K men just dont do it for a lot of woman.
These are just my opinions on why 'I' personally could not live here too much longer..well a few of the reasons.
Generally through out my many travels, I have come across ALOT of females also traveling, so its not a thing about woman prefering to stay rooted at home..maybe we are just a bit more 'Selective' about where we travel and live.
Infact generally more young females than males are living in African and south American countries 'voluteering' their time and learning about these such very diverse cultures ( unless if you are maybe in the peace troups ) |
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4seasons
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: Long term. |
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| In the last few days, I have met 3 women who've been here a while. They all seemed to be having positive experiences here. |
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zeldalee13
Joined: 08 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| One reason might be that are more foreign guys who get married to Koreans than foreign gals who do. So it seems, anyway. |
In my office almost half of the men (4/9) have Korean wives and most of them have been here >5 years. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a lifer myself, but why are men most likely to stay?
'cause of girls, what else? |
That's also a reason to leave for some men if they are more into foreign women, but they are in much shorter supply here, and it's easier to find what you want since there is more diversity amongst Western females back home. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Korea is still by and large a male-dominated society. It's good to be king, whatver the pay. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Its simple really...
most of the guys here can't get jobs back home paying what they make here! they know their wives can't get jobs back home.
So they choose to stay here for ever because financially that's the best they can do.. makes sense really...
whats waiting for them back home??
A check out counter for your wife and a 10 dollar an hour job for you...
everyone who has been here over 10 years, will be here another 10 years!
Korea is the office!
if people could make more money back home I'm sure most of the teachers would be there.. some wouldn't because they come from some hick town where there is nothing but corn fields and rednecks!
I like korea more than my home town now.. I miss my friends from back home.. and even if I made more money there than here. I don't think I would leave korea..
I really like it here.. It's a fantastic place... |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: %tage of male/female lifers. Why r men more likely to st |
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I would like to know what percentage of long-times or lifers here on the board are male/female.
There seems to be many more male long-termers/lifers than women and I wonder why that is the case. Any ideas? |
All the long termers/lifers I know in Korea (i.e.five years and above) are female. Don't know one guy who has stayed that long.
More men use the internet than women, maybe that's why this poll is buggered. |
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