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yesman
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| just remember there would be no war if Iran gave up their war. |
What war are you talking about? Where? Who's fighting? |
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madcap
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Gangneung, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| You're right. None of us will ever know, but we can make any number of crazy assumptions based on facts and evidence. I don't think it's coincidence that a captured Iranian diplomat was released prior to the British sailors release either nor is it one that we are allowing an Iranian envoy to speak with the prisoners we took in Kurdistan. We don't deal with terrorists...at least we don't admit it. Ahhhh, politics. Face saving, lying, manipulating, and back stabbing. Sometimes I think I should run for president just to experience the ride (Note: I didn't say anyone would vote for me) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yesman wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| just remember there would be no war if Iran gave up their war. |
What war are you talking about? Where? Who's fighting? |
Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq.
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
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| On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules [
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
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Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
They support Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells drugs.
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| yesman wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| just remember there would be no war if Iran gave up their war. |
What war are you talking about? Where? Who's fighting? |
Shipment of [b]high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs "reportedly" coming from Iran [/b]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
They support Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells "drugs".
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence. |
ETC ETC ...
We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
whether sought or unsought, by the "military-industrial complex".
~ Dwight D. Eisenhower
AmeriKa 
The Coming Shakedown of the US and Iran
2007 04 04
If Russian warnings are correct, at this time next week, the US could be at war with Iran. Let us understand that this war is really an assault by the Illuminati on both countries.
The top rung of Freemasonry, the Illuminati Order is an international satanic cult that aims to subdue humanity by pitting nations in war against each other. It represents a conspiracy of international finance and many "leading families" of Europe and America.
The pictures of Bush and Ahmadinejad giving the satanic "goat's head" sign suggest Iranians are as ignorant as Americans of their President's true loyalty.
http://www.savethemales.ca/
Iran War Underway:
US and Britain Funding Right Wing Terrorists For Regime Change 
2007 03 31
The Long history of British and American covert provocation and action in Iran. The US and Britain are already at war with Iran, have been at war with Iran for a number of years now and are funding anti-Iranian terrorist groups inside Iran in preparation for the fallout that will occur after overt military action is commenced.
Not my words, ... CONT'd
http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/300307Iran_provocation.htm |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Bush, Ahmadinejad and now Zach. The situation is clearly more serious than we first thought. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Is Zack a "LONG-HORNS" (hook em') fan as well?
This is the official line response (hahahaha) Bush's cliche try to promote
Maybe Ahzmenjenaded & GW have friendly little side bets on all their games. Ho ho ho !
Probably eh?
Illlumi-NAZIS  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Igotthisguitar long ago became a parody of himself. |
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yesman
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee-
You casually throw that big T word around, as though you're not sounding like a regurgitated FoxNews Broadcast.
The U.S. Army Manual defined terrorism as the "calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear. It is intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies ... [to attain] political, religious, or ideological goals."
Army Field Manual No. FM 3-0, Chapter 9, 37, 14 June 2001
Hmmm...there's plenty of evidence that we're guilty of this "terrorism" on a broad scale.
Now consider this: The group that lied to convince the American population for war with Iraq, had long before that produced a document entitled the Project for a New American Century, in which it clearly states its intentions to pursue the catastrophe that we already know all to well. Iran is the next rung on the ladder; it takes a pretty dull person to not figure that out, especially given Bush's recent sabre rattling.
Now, knowing that intent for war has been on the minds of this administration long before 9/11, and that we were clearly lied to about the Iraq war, how are you so gullible?
Especially so when you're swallowing information from the mouths of the military and the 9/11 Commission. The 9/11 Commission!? Do you know who comprised that commission? Do you know who it's executive director was? Philip D. Zelikow, a personally selected Bush-appointee who had previously co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice.
Take a few big steps back and ask why and how the situation in the Middle East has come to be so embroiled with anti-western sentiment, and what part the U.S. has played. I'll give you a hint: you have to go a long way back. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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[quote="yesman"]Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee-
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| You casually throw that big T word around, as though you're not sounding like a regurgitated FoxNews Broadcast. |
well what is wrong with what i said
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[The U.S. Army Manual defined terrorism as the "calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear. It is intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies ... [to attain] political, religious, or ideological goals."
Army Field Manual No. FM 3-0, Chapter 9, 37, 14 June 2001
Hmmm...there's plenty of evidence that we're guilty of this "terrorism" on a broad scale |
perhaps but our goals are different. The US did bad stuff during the cold war bt the US was still correct.
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| Now consider this: The group that lied to convince the American population for war with Iraq, had long before that produced a document entitled the Project for a New American Century, in which it clearly states its intentions to pursue the catastrophe that we already know all to well. Iran is the next rung on the ladder; it takes a pretty dull person to not figure that out, especially given Bush's recent sabre rattling. |
Let me expalin the project for a New American Century.
Their goals are to put the US in the best position possible and not rely on world organziations that are a least unfriendly to like the UN or treaties that don't bring the US security.
Also 9-11 showed the Project for New Amercan Century was correct in finding that the mideast was a threat to the US.
If Iran gives up their war then they won't have any problems. Let them give up their war. If they don't want to give up their war then almost anything the US does to them is okay.
Bathists , Khomenists and Al Qaedists are nothing but fascist bigots.
They don't have a right to their war.
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| Now, knowing that intent for war has been on the minds of this administration long before 9/11, and that we were clearly lied to about the Iraq war, how are you so gullible? |
The real reason for the war was that the the US needed Iraq as a military base to force mideast states to go after the terrorists.
Getting rid of Saddam was a bonus .
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| Especially so when you're swallowing information from the mouths of the military and the 9/11 Commission. The 9/11 Commission!? Do you know who comprised that commission? Do you know who it's executive director was? Philip D. Zelikow, a personally selected Bush-appointee who had previously co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice. |
Tell why I ought to believe you more than him?
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| Take a few big steps back and ask why and how the situation in the Middle East has come to be so embroiled with anti-western sentiment, and what part the U.S. has played. I'll give you a hint: you have to go a long way back. |
Is it cause the US protected MUSLIM KURDS from Saddam and MUSLIMS in Kosova from Slobidan?
Or it is cause mideast regimes and elites and the mideast media teach hate and incite violence?
Here is left wing writer Robert Fisk
As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone � allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities � could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0519-02.htm
Isn't it funny no one in the mideast said anything when the Kurds were gassed or when Assad destroyed the city of Hama in 1982 killing 20,000 or when Khomeni killed Iranians 30,000 in 1988 or when Osama Bin Laden killed muslims ( what religion are the Northern Alliance) in Afghanistan?
Bathists , Khomenists and Al Qaedists are nothing but fascist bigots. They don't have a right to their war.
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yesman
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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So the U.S. is right and always has good intentions and everyone else is wrong because they are bad...I see...
You've made an incredibly complex and multi-faceted situation extremely simple and easy for me to understand.
No, thank you! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| yesman wrote: |
So the U.S. is right and always has good intentions and everyone else is wrong because they are bad...I see...
You've made an incredibly complex and multi-faceted situation extremely simple and easy for me to understand.
No, thank you! |
Nice strawman
No but the US is correct more often than the enemy. The actions of the US are far more justified than the enemy.
The US was better than the Nazis during world war II.
The US was better than the Soviets during the cold war.
and the US is far better than the Bathists Khomeni supporters or Al Qaedists or its worst and their best day.
It is no coincidence that the worst human rights abusers in the world are hostile to the US
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Behind Algeria, on a score of 110.55, come North Korea, Burma, Indonesia, Libya, Colombia, Syria, Iraq, Yugoslavia and China. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and Nigeria follow closely. The United Kingdom comes 141st; a good score on a global basis but not so admirable when compared with other rich, industrialised countries - we are seventh out of 23. |
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Taken together, we believe our categories provide a fair summary of a state's human rights record, Iraq, for example, scores only two points out of 10 on denial of women's rights because of its secular attitude towards women.
It scores 10 out of 10 on denial of majority rights because of gassing the Kurds.
A country with a wretched record of human rights abuse could score a maximum total of 190. Saddam Hussein's Iraq proves the winner of the unmodified list - which measures human rights abuses outside of their economic context - with an unadjusted score of 155.
International sanctions and the legacy of Saddam's two wars against Iraq and the United Nations over Kuwait, which have crippled Iraq, give it a low rating on the UN's human development index. Iraq's new-found impoverishment catapults it down the list, leaving Algeria in poll position. |
http://www.algeria-watch.org/mrv/mrvrap/observe4.htm |
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yesman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Again, your inability to see anything beyond the scope of "better than" leaves me with no desire to spend time on an internet forum trying to prove something to someone I don't know, and, ultimately don't really care about influencing.
Have fun, I'm going out. |
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Travelous Maximus
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Let's get it on. Not like the Iranians couldnt have avoied it.
-failed to negotiate in good faith
-made threats against allies
-continued to develop an illegal nuclear weapons programs
-decalred war against a US ally by illegally kidnapping soldiers
The fact is whatever iran gets Iran deserves. I hope the attack is massive, devastates the Iranian military and industrial infrastructure and kills as many of the mullahs as possible. Take out Hitlerbabba too. |
I'm sorry but the UN security council does not have divine right to tell countries what they can and can't build. If the country wishes to develop a nuclear program for peaceful reasons, you should let them. It's natural to be suspicious, but if we all were so quick to jump the gun, nobody would come up with any new ideas in beacuse people would fear it too much. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
Let's get it on. Not like the Iranians couldnt have avoied it.
-failed to negotiate in good faith
-made threats against allies
-continued to develop an illegal nuclear weapons programs
-decalred war against a US ally by illegally kidnapping soldiers
The fact is whatever iran gets Iran deserves. I hope the attack is massive, devastates the Iranian military and industrial infrastructure and kills as many of the mullahs as possible. Take out Hitlerbabba too. |
I'm sorry but the UN security council does not have divine right to tell countries what they can and can't build. If the country wishes to develop a nuclear program for peaceful reasons, you should let them. It's natural to be suspicious, but if we all were so quick to jump the gun, nobody would come up with any new ideas in beacuse people would fear it too much. |
Isn't Iran a member of the UN? If you are the member of a club, don't you have to play by the club's rules? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| yesman wrote: |
Again, your inability to see anything beyond the scope of "better than" leaves me with no desire to spend time on an internet forum trying to prove something to someone I don't know, and, ultimately don't really care about influencing.
Have fun, I'm going out. |
I know this board is not a good use of time. but anyway I would be against war if it were to steal their oil, I don't care if they accept capitalism or not. Their religion doesn't bother me , however the problem is that the Bathsts , Khomenists and Al Qaedists are at war and they don't want to quit. Let them quit and then there would be no problem. |
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