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thepeel
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Why is this our job? How is it that we came to this again? (mostly) European people invading the so called third-world and pushing our way of life on them? That aside, why is this a Canadian responsibility specifically? Just cause the Liberals said so?
And when they follow us home, and attack some train in Toronto as they almost certainly will, what then? Why would we fly around the world putting our imperialist nose where it does not belong, pissing off the already crazy and pissed of locals and given 1.5 billion people are reason to hate Canada? Especially when we know so much about colonial outcomes of the past? When did Canada become a colonizer? We are pushing our way of life on them. This is grossly inappropriate.
How is it that so many have accepted this to be a good idea? |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Canada's combat mission is over in 2009. It is extremely doubtful that it would be extended. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Canada's combat mission is over in 2009. It is extremely doubtful that it would be extended. |
Nato, on the whole, does not want to stay for a very long time. They want to scale back their mission. I have no clue if Karzai has a decent sized military. You never hear about Afghanistan enough in the media to know what's happening.
The mission in Afghanistan is not a colonial or imperial mission nor an idea of the Liberals. Stephen Harper insists on maintaining the troops. I believe they should pull out within two years and it seems confronting the Taliban seems to just end up killing Afghan civilians, and you can't tell the Afghans in those areas it is the fault of the Taliban. The Taliban in Kandahar are not outsiders. I frankly wouldn't want the Taliban to govern even a backyard considering the fact that they've killed women who exposed their face in public. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is this our job? How is it that we came to this again? (mostly) European people invading the so called third-world and pushing our way of life on them? That aside, why is this a Canadian responsibility specifically? ? |
I think it was because some nutjobs belonging to an organization flew a couple of planes into a couple of towers and killed about 3000 people including Canadians. And when the country (that would be Afghanistan) that was sheltering this terror group was requested to hand them over, the U.S declared war on them. And Canada being a military ally of the U.S decided to step up to the plate and fullfill its obligations.
But then again maybe that's just what I think... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Why is this our job? How is it that we came to this again? (mostly) European people invading the so called third-world and pushing our way of life on them? That aside, why is this a Canadian responsibility specifically? ? |
I think it was because some nutjobs belonging to an organization flew a couple of planes into a couple of towers and killed about 3000 people including Canadians. And when the country (that would be Afghanistan) that was sheltering this terror group was requested to hand them over, the U.S declared war on them. And Canada being a military ally of the U.S decided to step up to the plate and fullfill its obligations.
But then again maybe that's just what I think... |
Destroy the enemy. Take his way of life and end it. Every single person involved should have been killed with brutal coldness. Hunt them down wherever they are.
Instead, we are two colonial wars in (and perhaps another to start soon) hunkered down building democracy in states that want nothing of the sort, and the big dog who knocked down those towers is still living in a cave in Pakistan.
OBL should be fucking dead. If nothing else. He should be dead, and not those 6 Canadians. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| It sometimes takes years to achieve victory. It was a mistake to launch a war in Iraq when there was no total victory in Afghanistan. There was a certain naive view that the Taliban would simply disappear and not regroup. Military planners and politicians should prepare for the worst case scenarios. That is what went wrong. There aren't enough troops in Afghanistan, and because the U.S. cannot send more troops Australia is sending 375 more soldiers. Canada has already sent extra troops. I don't think Britain can send any unless the ones who are pulled out of Iraq go to Afghanistan. It would then make it easier to route out the Taliban. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I would like to see Germany, France, and other European powers inform the public what number of extra personnel, equipment, support, etc they could provide and under what conditions they could provide them.
Seems to me since the US is already abuzz with implementations to reduce carbon emissions, they might be able to reinforce Afghanistan in exchange for pledges from Washington concerning emissions reductions. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm not attacking what anyone has said, so please no one go nuts...
I find it interesting those who think that a 'surge' will work in Afghanistan, but criticize the 'surge' in Iraq. Or, rather, make this argument exclusive of Iraq.
I did my MA on American policy in Afghanistan, and the one fact that scholars seem to agree on is that Afghanistan has seldom been peaceful over the last 800 years or so, and has almost always experienced tribal and sectarian violence in one form or another. Conflict, murder/slaughter and war aren't so much an exception or recent development in Afghanistan, but rather the rule, so to speak. The one notable break in these internal conflicts happened to occur during the Soviet occupation, prior to the jihad of 1979. One of history's sad little ironies. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
I'm not attacking what anyone has said, so please no one go nuts...
I find it interesting those who think that a 'surge' will work in Afghanistan, but criticize the 'surge' in Iraq. Or, rather, make this argument exclusive of Iraq.
Ironies. |
Because we have more locals on our side in Afghanistan. The N.A or the members of the former Northern Alliance are not about to cut our throats or each other's while the Taliban is still a danger. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well its all a waste.. I guess Canadians died for south Korea for nothing. Its was a waste of time and money. Fack South Korea fack Afghanistan.
/sarcasim off |
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