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Hollywoodaction
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| In our office, us foreigners have what may be the only box on campus that is used for paper destined for recycling. Sure, we know it's probably thrown into the incinerator with all the other trash, but it's the thought that counts, right? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Here's an article from one of Canada's top national newspapers, the National Post. Have a read and let me know what you think..... |
I think you're an idiot that can't read. There are threads for discussing the science and the politics. This thread is about actions people can take if they are so moved.
Every thread need not be some fucking idiot claiming global warming is a ghost.
Now *beep* off. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Calm down, EFL, take a breather......just skip by if you don't like it; I'm merely questioning the premise of the post and the impact of reducing carbon dioxide. I don't think you own the right to this thread or this issue, dissenting views can be expressed. Don't call anyone an idiot who doesn't agree with your view of what this thread should be. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| enns wrote: |
| Calm down, EFL, take a breather......just skip by if you don't like it; I'm merely questioning the premise of the post and the impact of reducing carbon dioxide. I don't think you own the right to this thread or this issue, dissenting views can be expressed. Don't call anyone an idiot who doesn't agree with your view of what this thread should be. |
There are no dissenting views: the thread is about ways to reduce your footprint, not the politics or the science involved.
Now bugger off to the half-dozen other threads addressing what you want to address. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Plant 1 tree every week ( if feasable). Or you could shoot a Canadian- that will reduce one heck of a lot of hot air. Or better yet shoot 10....... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| enns wrote: |
| Here's an article from one of Canada's top national newspapers, the National Post. Have a read and let me know what you think..... |
I think you're an idiot that can't read. There are threads for discussing the science and the politics. This thread is about actions people can take if they are so moved.
Every thread need not be some *beep* idiot claiming global warming is a ghost.
Now *beep* off. |
Ah trying to win more friends to our cause. I'm so glad we have you as our spokesman. F'k it. I'm going out right now to burn paper. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| enns wrote: |
| Here's an article from one of Canada's top national newspapers, the National Post. Have a read and let me know what you think..... |
I think you're an idiot that can't read. There are threads for discussing the science and the politics. This thread is about actions people can take if they are so moved.
Every thread need not be some *beep* idiot claiming global warming is a ghost.
Now *beep* off. |
Ah trying to win more friends to our cause. I'm so glad we have you as our spokesman. F'k it. I'm going out right now to burn paper. |
You prefer hi-jacked threads? He was off-topic and rude about it. Back on topic, please. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Plant 1 tree every week ( if feasable). Or you could shoot a Canadian- that will reduce one heck of a lot of hot air. Or better yet shoot 10....... |
Just read something on trees in the upper latitudes overall *adding* to the carbon footprint. I coulda been knocked over with a feather. Anyone have info on this? |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| You prefer hi-jacked threads? He was off-topic and rude about it. Back on topic, please. |
Really, EFLtrainer, the guy posted a stupid and fallacious article from a dyed-in-the-wool conservative journalist. It would have been easy enough just to take it to pieces like he suggested rather than firing up the pottymouth. Like it or not, a large proportion of rightwingers are still clinging to the hope that global warming is a liberal conspiracy, and at least some will always be around to derail discussions of what should be done about the problem with red herrings and other junk argumentation. It's still worth the time to point out what's wrong with their thinking, rather than just insulting them off the bat. Telling them to shut up just makes you look dogmatic, which is exactly what they want to think anyway.
And really, as if just saying that a thread in the CE forum is only going to be about one pre-determined topic will make it so! Hah!
Back on your topic though: individual action is all well and good, but I think the main fronts of this issue are legislative and economic. I'd say the best two things anyone could do on the individual level is make their representatives - be they left or right - aware of their concerns, and to apply as much market pressure as possible by buying goods and services that reduce carbon usage. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| And really, as if just saying that a thread in the CE forum is only going to be about one pre-determined topic will make it so! Hah! |
True enough. Forgive me if I do try, even if people are too addled to understand the concept.
As to your point, I will post some info later, but suffice to say, in the end governments must act, but the greatest change in the near term will definitely be community-based. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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public transit/car pool
Petition for:
Taxing airplane flights
Doing away with credit emissions and impose a carbon tax.
Serious R&D on alternative sources of energy (including nuclear) |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| As to your point, I will post some info later, but suffice to say, in the end governments must act, but the greatest change in the near term will definitely be community-based. |
You know, I think Gore's electronet proposal is a great idea. If we have access to efficient decentralised solar technology like this and this and affordable wind power as well as financial incentives to take part, we really could be looking at getting to the heart of the problem very quickly indeed - and without the need to shut down capitalism and sit around in the dark, or whatever it is that some seem to think solutions will require. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
You prefer hi-jacked threads? He was off-topic and rude about it. Back on topic, please. |
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| Here's an article from one of Canada's top national newspapers, the National Post. Have a read and let me know what you think. Will any collective actions of the world have a significant impact? If you disagree with the facts presented in this piece, please outline them. I'm curious more than anything about separating the politics from the science of GW. |
Yeah the rudeness was just dripping off that comment. What an ahole. He did everything but mock your wife. Sorry, disagreeing with you is not rudeness in anyone's mind save your own.
You're suggesting individual actions. I believe in that. He doesn't think it will do any good and submitted that article as evidence. It might be poor evidence but I don't see him hijacking the thread. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Plant 1 tree every week ( if feasable). Or you could shoot a Canadian- that will reduce one heck of a lot of hot air. Or better yet shoot 10....... |
Just read something on trees in the upper latitudes overall *adding* to the carbon footprint. I coulda been knocked over with a feather. Anyone have info on this? |
I'm trying to read up on this myself.
I think the view that trees absorb more Co2 than they emit is only very basically true. It's less straightforward, for example when we plant trees, some of them die and a dying tree emits a lot co2.
This article (mentioning a "need to focus on big cuts in carbon dioxide emissions rather than monkeying about with the land surface") from 2002 has some info on the complex issue of trees: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,774570,00.html
It also appears to depend where trees are planted and also there is this: �Forests affect climate in three different ways: they absorb gas carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and help cool the planet; they evaporate water to the atmosphere and increase cloudiness, which also helps keep the planet cool; and they are dark and absorb lots of sunlight, which warms the Earth. So far, climate change mitigation strategies that promote planting more trees only take the first effect into account.: http://www.scenta.co.uk/scenta/news.cfm?cit_id=1359344&FAArea1=customWidgets.content_view_1
The worst aspect to the issue of trees, in my view at the moment, seems to be that planting trees is a feel-good strategy � we don�t need to bother cutting emissions if we plant some trees. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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MMT, it is childish and pointless to constantly try to make posts/threads about me. They aren't. Mature your rhetoric, eh? I don't care if you call me a name, but fucking learn to discuss the issues and not me. |
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