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mrsquirrel
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Handsomer/handsomest or more handsome/most handsome |
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What do you use?
Korean talking dic says handsomer is more commonly used than more handsome.
I don't think I have ever used handsomer or handsomest. |
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oxfordstu

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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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When using a comparative adjective that has 2 syllables and doesn't end in -y, then it is more handsome. Same with the superlative most handsome
The Korean you're talking to is completely wrong. |
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mrsquirrel
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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That is what I though,
It's in her talking dictionary.
I was sure it was wrong but it was there staring me in the face.
Anybody else disagree? |
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mrsquirrel
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Both are fine. "Handsomer" may be less usual; but Dickens uses it, for instance:
"He is gray now, but as handsome as he was a quarter of a century ago--nay, handsomer."
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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More handsome and most handsome.
Some of those electronic dictionaries are crap.
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Dunno looks like old D.ic.kens used it. so it must be right |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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i have also soon books that say "my dog is very cute to me, he waves his tail when i am around." it was in the book, but i sure as heck dont say that.
trust your instincts, not the books or dictionaries on things like that. you might not be able to explain why, but USUALLY you are right. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I split the difference. I don't like 'handsomer' and 'most handsome'. Both sound dorky to me, so I say: Joe is more handsome than Tim, but Sam is the handsomest man in that movie. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I say most handsomerestest ... because I am |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| I say most handsomerestest ... because I am |
your edumacated! I think that me are dumberer then you. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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From the Compleat Lexical Tutor (www.lextutor.ca), using corpora totaling 4 million words (British and American, spoken and written):
handsomer - two examples:
1 y Mountains, and John was surely one of the handsomer and brighter young men around Pittsburgh.
2 hiseled features. But she'd known plenty of handsomer guys, and, conceding his good looks, what wa
handsomest - 1 example:
1 al. Just wait till she saw the Mare's foal. Handsomest colt in all Kentucky. Strong too, up on his
more handsome - 0 examples
most handsome - 2 examples:
1 ish. IT is truly odd and ironic that the most handsome and impressive film yet made from Miguel de
2 verdoor in the early Palladian style is the most handsome in the house. The King's bedroom is domina
There is a third example of 'most handsome' in the corpora, but it is not a superlative.
The first examples with 'handsomer' and 'most handsome' each suggests that parallelism, in different directions, may have a determining effect on the choice of form.
The second example under 'handsomer' doesn't work for me with most handsome, and I wonder if rhythm has something to do with it. This is pure speculation, though.
The second example of 'most handsome' seems to me to possibly involve contrastive stress, which would require a more/most form.
Still, five examples isn't a lot, even if it does show that native speakers use both, and perhaps about equally. So, I went to Google for a quick and dirty hit count. (NB: I have posted before on the value and limits of using Google this way. I won't repeat myself.)
handsomer - 239,000 hits
handsomest - 470,000 hits
more handsome - 244,000 hits
most handsome - 416,000 hits (including Juche Girl: http://juchegirl.blogspot.com/2006/06/dear-leader-most-handsome-leader.html)
Usage appears to be about equal. I suspect that some portion of the 'most handsome' forms are false superlatives, as I saw in the CLT data. It remains to be determined what factors influence the actual choice of one form or the other, though, as I have suggested before, parallelism and emphatic/contractive stress may play roles.
handsomerestest - 1 hit (http://flurryblob.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html). It's a 16-yr-old Chinese girl, jinju; are you sure you want to claim her as a linguistic influence:
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| but like you know, after getting to know crazy ppl like agnestingtongbell, jerryberry and his crudeness + handsomerestest, cooliestest, stylioestest disease |
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jinju
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| handsomerestest - 1 hit (http://flurryblob.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html). It's a 16-yr-old Chinese girl, jinju; are you sure you want to claim her as a linguistic influence: |
Thats crazy. Why not? Shes a genius. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
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| handsomerestest - 1 hit (http://flurryblob.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html). It's a 16-yr-old Chinese girl, jinju; are you sure you want to claim her as a linguistic influence: |
Thats crazy. Why not? Shes a genius. |
Actually, I do think it is kinda cool to see a learner who has picked up the language as well as she has. |
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I split the difference. I don't like 'handsomer' and 'most handsome'. Both sound dorky to me, so I say: Joe is more handsome than Tim, but Sam is the handsomest man in that movie. |
I gotta agree, at least with handsomer. Both handsomest and most handsome sound fine to me.
But then I use words like gotta and gonna.... |
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jodemas2
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| oxfordstu wrote: |
When using a comparative adjective that has 2 syllables and doesn't end in -y, then it is more handsome. Same with the superlative most handsome
The Korean you're talking to is completely wrong. |
What I was taught, was that, for a two-syllable adjective that does not end in -y, either is correct. |
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