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| Are artists superior? |
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Bondrock
Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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imhotep created the pyramids.... fool! Cheops?? have you ever heard of the pyramids??? cretins.......... no wonder this site is known as a gypsy site...clonekafe... daves'duds, dun'droid'it... been der 'dav'dat' i thought i might try to give it a chance but, the quaulity of posters is sub standard.
art???? you are clueless...
kids.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Bondrock wrote: |
imhotep created the pyramids.... fool! Cheops?? have you ever heard of the pyramids??? cretins.......... no wonder this site is known as a gypsy site...clonekafe... daves'duds, dun'droid'it... been der 'dav'dat' i thought i might try to give it a chance but, the quaulity of posters is sub standard.
art???? you are clueless...
kids.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Did you, by chance, ride a short bus to school? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Relax. Maybe I heard the name before, just didn't recall. It didn't look as famous as the others you mentioned. Now it sounds right after I did a little search. Obviously a big character in history. Lots of big characters in history, many I'm sure I know nothing about. I guess it's better to do a search and never plead ignorance. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Actually, the poll questions show a very real problem with society. A person who has tons of useless knowledge about art is seen as sophisticated or cultured, while someone with tons of useless knowledge about physics is seen as a geek. The art realm is still very full of what I like to call the snob factor, though that is changing, as the art world (philosophy, music, etc included) is losing it's prominence and getting to the level it should be, the same as any other thing in our society. I don't think science is more important than art, but neither is the opposite true. Society still sees the opposite as true unfortunately. |
I'm not sure where you're living.
Ever since the Age of Reason science has pretty much had its way with the west, and I'll extend that definition to include the bureaucrats. It's way out of whack.
If you go to Paris you can see the remnants of a city that was built when art was considered important.
Look at a great American city and what do you see? Decoration, if you're lucky, and there was room in the budget for it.
It's pretty obvious to me that we need more art, not less. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The King of Kwangju wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Actually, the poll questions show a very real problem with society. A person who has tons of useless knowledge about art is seen as sophisticated or cultured, while someone with tons of useless knowledge about physics is seen as a geek. The art realm is still very full of what I like to call the snob factor, though that is changing, as the art world (philosophy, music, etc included) is losing it's prominence and getting to the level it should be, the same as any other thing in our society. I don't think science is more important than art, but neither is the opposite true. Society still sees the opposite as true unfortunately. |
I'm not sure where you're living.
Ever since the Age of Reason science has pretty much had its way with the west, and I'll extend that definition to include the bureaucrats. It's way out of whack.
If you go to Paris you can see the remnants of a city that was built when art was considered important.
Look at a great American city and what do you see? Decoration, if you're lucky, and there was room in the budget for it.
It's pretty obvious to me that we need more art, not less. |
You are talking about a different thing. Look at my example of the two people who are both of the same intellect and know just as many facts about things that don't have any practical use in normal life, and it's the one who knows about art who is revered and the science guy as just a smart geek. I am talking about the snob factor of art, not the use of art. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Ody wrote: |
| the poll options make your question even dumber. |
Actually, the poll questions show a very real problem with society. A person who has tons of useless knowledge about art is seen as sophisticated or cultured, while someone with tons of useless knowledge about physics is seen as a geek. The art realm is still very full of what I like to call the snob factor, though that is changing, as the art world (philosophy, music, etc included) is losing it's prominence and getting to the level it should be, the same as any other thing in our society. I don't think science is more important than art, but neither is the opposite true. Society still sees the opposite as true unfortunately. |
Look at my OP where I make a point that for me art and science are the pinnacle of human achievement. So I dont know where you are going with this. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The King of Kwangju wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Actually, the poll questions show a very real problem with society. A person who has tons of useless knowledge about art is seen as sophisticated or cultured, while someone with tons of useless knowledge about physics is seen as a geek. The art realm is still very full of what I like to call the snob factor, though that is changing, as the art world (philosophy, music, etc included) is losing it's prominence and getting to the level it should be, the same as any other thing in our society. I don't think science is more important than art, but neither is the opposite true. Society still sees the opposite as true unfortunately. |
I'm not sure where you're living.
Ever since the Age of Reason science has pretty much had its way with the west, and I'll extend that definition to include the bureaucrats. It's way out of whack.
If you go to Paris you can see the remnants of a city that was built when art was considered important.
Look at a great American city and what do you see? Decoration, if you're lucky, and there was room in the budget for it.
It's pretty obvious to me that we need more art, not less. |
You are talking about a different thing. Look at my example of the two people who are both of the same intellect and know just as many facts about things that don't have any practical use in normal life, and it's the one who knows about art who is revered and the science guy as just a smart geek. I am talking about the snob factor of art, not the use of art.
Although, your last sentence, while I might agree, is COMPLETELY just your opinion and not a fact. There are people that disagree, who like function over design. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: art |
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if you don't know who he (imhotep) is you are on the wrong forum... same goes for all the other "art" posers here...
get a life and study art... or move on aiegooo
and i made the mistake of thinking you (jajdude) might be cool...
how little i know, guess i was just dazzled by your brilliant smile........ my bad
imhotep.... you don't know.... you don't count. period........... |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep
although art majors learn about this stuff during foundation year when they study art history (using the standard text Janson's History or Art), i wouldn't say that forgetting the name indicates that one is not an artist. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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There's a story by Camus about an artist who's gungho, painting all the time, he becomes famous, sells his work, people come visit his apartment while he paints but he suddenly dries up, can't paint, wants to, but can't.
So he builds an inhouse treehouse sort of loft above his family and the visitors in the high ceiling apartment, so he can be alone, where he just sits, looking at the empty canvas, until, finally, he makes the smallest of dots, so small no-one but him could know it's there. His way of saying, in that invisible, smallest of still points, that silence is the artist's superior. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| captain kirk wrote: |
There's a story by Camus about an artist who's gungho, painting all the time, he becomes famous, sells his work, people come visit his apartment while he paints but he suddenly dries up, can't paint, wants to, but can't.
So he builds an inhouse treehouse sort of loft above his family and the visitors in the high ceiling apartment, so he can be alone, where he just sits, looking at the empty canvas, until, finally, he makes the smallest of dots, so small no-one but him could know it's there. His way of saying, in that invisible, smallest of still points, that silence is the artist's superior. |
silence certainly is an issue in modern art. Susan Santog writes about it in Styles of Radical Will, which i am re-reading these days,
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| "Silence remains, inescapably, a form of speech (in many instances, of complaint or indictment) and an element in a dialogue." The parentheses are Sontag's. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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while looking for that quote, i came across this interesting looking writing titled The Letter: Eurovision and the Aesthetic of Silence
for those interested in Sontag, i also came across this Democracy Now memorial broadcast: Susan Sontag, 1933-2004 |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: art |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep
although art majors learn about this stuff during foundation year when they study art history (using the standard text Janson's History or Art), i wouldn't say that forgetting the name indicates that one is not an artist. |
Ah, never studied art, and not an artist. I'm sure many others also don't know much. It's good stuff though.
I'm sure I'll remember that name now. According to wikipedia he was the one who said, "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we shall die." |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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