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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Kuros, stop being a wanker.
To delight in the deaths of anyone is pretty awful and morbid... in which case you should be tunring your attention on people like Jinju who recently called for the annihilation of iran, which would result in the death of some 71 million people.
In this case OH comments are more than fair game. The pure BS that this will bring 'stability' to the families of those serving in Iraq is outrageous. Military families should be incredibly angered by this assertion that essentially belittles what they're going through and use them for a political talking point, an unbelievably ridiculous talking point.
Moreover, if any of the soldiers did indeed vote for Bush, then that's also a fair comment/criticism. It may not be nice, but it's true. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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They should stay until the job is done and all US forces pull-out. If you are going to fight a war then fight it. All this "humane military" does is prolong the pain. Throw out the rules of engagement, keep the troops there for as long as it takes and go to town.
I am no fan of Gen Sherman but do admire his theory of warfare. Nobody really cares if its soldiers killing eachother. But, once civilians start suffering as a direct consequence of war, wars tend to wind down pretty quick.
To act any other was is like getting into a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Svetlana wrote: |
| Boo-hoo. Most soldiers are republicans and voted for Bush. They are getting their payback now. |
You are my favorite poster.
I can just picture you (the real you)... Gut hanging over the desk, hairs falling onto the keyboard, boxes of used tissue stacked up along the wall... Haven't taken your garbage out in weeks. Waddling over to Oxfard Hakwon in Suyu at 255 to make your 3pm shift. I love it! I bet you refer to your girlfriend as your "korean girlfriend" when talking to your friends too! Awesome! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| Kuros, stop being a *beep*. |
It's what happens when you spend too much time on this board, arguing.
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| you should be tunring your attention on people like Jinju who recently called for the annihilation of iran, which would result in the death of some 71 million people.. |
Case in point... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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While I don't agree with the Bush administration on Iraq I don't feel it's quite fair to be calling the men and women in the military "suckers". I would imagine quite a few of them were enlisted long before Bush came around and are just doing their duty. From articles I have read, the average rank and file are split pretty much down the middle, in regards to being in Iraq.
If possible can we limit commentary to the "spin" and avoid attacking or reveling in the plight of the common soldier who has just as little say in the matter as you or I? |
I imagine most of those in Iraq enlisted after Bush came around and those who didn't have had four years since the Invastion of Iraq to try to find a way out. They're suckers if there ever were any. And they're fighting for nothing. |
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cranura
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread is so typical of what happens when people quote out of context, opine without knowledge and pontificate without balance or understanding. First of all, the sentence following the quoted one (and CNN is a secondary source -- not primary) was: "In exchange for the extension, Gates said the service will be able to give all units a year at home between deployments." This is the point -- recently soldiers were returning to a combat zone with sometimes less than a few months at home with their families. This does indeed give them a longer term of predictability. There is not a reference to predictabilty about warfare, only the time spent in R&R. A good portion of soldiers enlist in their country's armed forces as a career, they understand fully that they may be called upon to do something they may not "politically" agree with during their 20 plus year "job". Many are following a time-honored family tradition. Those that do not believe in war, armies, conflict, etc., tend not to understand the military and their function. That said, military personnel quite frequently do not understand pacifist movements in their countries. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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cranura, you're right in so far as context is concerned, unfortunately you seemed to have missed the bigger picture. Yes, their RandR will be "certain and fixed" but only if the Pentagon and White House keep their promise, which they will most likely not. They have consistantly underestimated the power of the rebels because it is easier to slowly build up the troops to 160k (or bigger) over time than to say we are sending 50 or 60k next week.
Examples:
They are always extending tours and cutting leaves short, this is just the first all encompasing one, ask the 10th Mountain Division.
They broke the "rules" about the reserves and have or are deploying them more than twice in 5 years.
They said the surge would be about 20,000 troops when in fact its more like 30-40 thousand depending entirely on your math.
This "new" policy means that there could be 160,000+ US troops in Iraq through the summer of 2008.
There is a saying "P1ss or get off the pot". Either go in half a million strong and destroy the country and kill millions or leave. This war is unwinnable and the only one who doesn't know it is Bush and Co. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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yawarakaijin wrote:
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| While I don't agree with the Bush administration on Iraq I don't feel it's quite fair to be calling the men and women in the military "suckers". I would imagine quite a few of them were enlisted long before Bush came around and are just doing their duty. From articles I have read, the average rank and file are split pretty much down the middle, in regards to being in Iraq. If possible can we limit commentary to the "spin" and avoid attacking or reveling in the plight of the common soldier who has just as little say in the matter as you or I? |
Don't you see the Left revels in the plight of the military in such situations because they look down on anyone who's in the military. What they can't deal with are people who have principles they're willing to die for. It confounds them that anyone wouldn't be as self-serving as they are. At heart, the radical Left is not only anti-American; it's elitist.
But it's still repugnant to hear juvenile posters like Svetlana and Yu bum sik relish in the plight of these servicemen and women--at least for those of us who actually want to see democracy succeed in Iraq. Instead, posters like Octavius would rather see us fail so they can claim greater insight and declare "you see I told you" from every hill and vale. Again, it's nothing more than self-serving behavior, in keeping with their hedonistic, atheistic arrogance.
cranura:
Don't confuse Dr. Hite with the facts. His purpose is to fart and obfuscate as much as possible. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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I'm sure glad these weren't Canadian soldiers ...
Marines Butchered Afghans After Bombing: Report 
Sun Apr 15, 8:15 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A preliminary investigation by the military says U.S. Marines killed or wounded more than 40 Afghan civilians after a suicide attack on a convoy last month, the Washington Post reported on Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/afghan_usa_dc;_ylt=Ainn90WfZpR5xVzmGieqyg5hr7sF |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| At heart, the radical Left is not only anti-American |
Keep up your moderate stance... 
Thanks providing this board with your level headed assesments: You sound more and more like a fulcrum with every post. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| I'm not cheering on American deaths you dolt. The whole article is trying to convince American service personel that extending their stay in Iraq will bring their familiy stability, that's like saying famine is great for weight loss. |
You are ignorant on this topic. The longer tour results in fewer overall deployments. The deployment schedule and the entire Army has been in the process of reorganization since General Shinseki developed the idea of the Brigade Combat Team. The idea is to keep soldiers with the same unit throughout their enlistment and have six-year stations rather than the typical 3 year cycles. It increases stability because there will be fewer overall deployments during a six-year cycle.
But of course, you're the expert. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| This war is unwinnable and the only one who doesn't know it is Bush and Co. |
..apparently the rest of the UN forces don't know it either. The last time I checked, there were British, Australian, German, French and even New Zealand troops fighting this war. Clearly, all of those countries are wrong too.
Clinton didn't fare much better. Our troops are still in Somalia and Kosovo.
It's very easy to make strategic assesments from the comfort of your chair. Until you've been there, you might want to stick to whatever it is you do. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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..apparently the rest of the UN forces don't know it either. The last time I checked, there were British, Australian, German, French and even New Zealand troops fighting this war. Clearly, all of those countries are wrong too.
Clinton didn't fare much better. Our troops are still in Somalia and Kosovo.
It's very easy to make strategic assesments from the comfort of your chair. Until you've been there, you might want to stick to whatever it is you do. |
Dude, Where do you get your information from? Fox news? Can you even find Iraq on a map? And, the only Americans in Somalia are Somali Americans and I'd also bet a few Marines training others in new and improved means of torture and mayhem....a great, very unpublicized export of America.
DD |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Dude, Where do you get your information from? Fox news? Can you even find Iraq on a map? And, the only Americans in Somalia are Somali Americans and I'd also bet a few Marines training others in new and improved means of torture and mayhem....a great, very unpublicized export of America.
DD |
I've been to Iraq you idiot. My operational area was centered at the small northern Iraq town of Al-Bayji. Do you want the grids for my particular area of responsibility? 3456N04329E. Unit? HHC, 3d Battalion, 75th Regiment, US Army. I also spent a considerable amount of time working in Afghanistan and other places in Central Asia. I was a Nuke, Chem, Bio warfare officer, then later worked in a civilian capacity in a related position. Do you want to discuss the nuances of tribal relations in the northern provinces of Iraq? Perhaps you'd like to debate the socio-political dynamic of nearby Tikrit? Do you want to talk about Kurdish political ambitions for autonomy?
So yeah, I can locate Iraq on the map.
What does Fox have to do with anything? Can you get Fox News in Korea? I sure as heck can't.
As far as troop levels and participation of American forces, the unclassified versons are readily available from reputable sources such as Reuters, Agence-France Press, etc.
Yes. The US is operating in Somalia along with Ethiopian troops. Ugandan peacekeepers are due to arrive or may already be there. I don't follow Africa as much because I never worked much there.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/01/mil-070124-voa08.htm
Here's the current unclassified troop breakdown, by country in the Iraq theater of operations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq#List_of_nations_in_the_coalition
Here's something about US troop operations in Kosovo.
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=41067&archive=true
So while Bush is deserving criticism (as would be any president,) your statement that the "..only one who doesn't it is Bush and Co," is just marinating in ignorance of the UN mandate and the coalition countries individual contributions to the war. Apparently, all of the countries involved in the Iraq situation "don't know" it's allegedly unwinnable.
I'm not supporting or opposing the war, but I do oppose idle amateurs speculating about situations about which they know very little. |
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KWellsDear
Joined: 26 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel, you must be Canadian. |
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