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Right, let's talk about the thread topic again.

Personally, I think Giuliani would be a terrible choice for president. Anybody who watched him govern New York would know that he sees himself as the perfect solution for every problem and has zero regard for any law, procedure, or check or balance which might stand in his way. He might have his heart in the right place, the problem is that he sees that place as being your living room.

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[Milwaukiedave]

There was an article in the news this morning about McCain cutting his staff. My thinking is if he doesn't do better in terms of fundraising he's toast. His support isn't that strong, in fact not near as strong as it was in 2000. I honestly think he had a better shot then.

It's also been rumored that Fred Thompson might get in the race depending on what happens with the other candidates. He could be the one to watch on the Republican side.

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[EFLtrainer]

Kucinich is one I've been listening to. He's about the only candidate who opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq from long before it happened and also has never voted for any funding of the war.

Go here to hear most of the major Democrats' takes on Iraq. Great stuff.

Probably not electable: too intelligent and too steeped in true America values.

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[igotthisguitar]

Here's a prediction:

3rd party candidates ( LIBERTARIAN in particular ) will be marginalized by mainstream corporate media & ultimately kept from participating in Presidential debates.

Just like it's always been

Skull or Bones? Who's it gonna be, Tweedle-Dum or Tweedle-Dee?

Ah, yes ... AmeriKa, land of the free

[EFLtrainer]

Democrats plans for Iraq, posted by my ranking of their plans. (This is ONLY based on their position on Iraq, so is not an endorsement for Prez.)

1. Kucinich

- Stop funding
- withdraw troops and close bases while moving U.N. in --> 50% Muslim --> stay till stable
- Pull out all U.S. contractors
- Reconciliation for Iraq with united gov't.
- Reparations from U.S. --> moral obligation
- Iraqis full control of oil assets --> no privatization as set by U.S.

(Perhaps I like this plan because it is essentially my plan. It is the same thing I posted here long ago. It is based on the premise that we ARE the problem and our continued presence prevents meaningful change.)

This plan is specific, moral, ethical and begins repairing our fractured national psyche and our international relations.

2. Biden
- Begin draw down within 3 mo
- Out within 1 year
- Reconstruction for Iraq paid for by Gulf states
- International conference including UNSC top five, Germany, 4 largest Muslim nations
- Decentralized federal system
- Shared oil revenues

This plan is specific, deals with reconstruction (but shirks responsibility), is realistic.

3. Richardson
- All troops out THIS year (<-- gotta love that!)
- No residual troops
- U.S.-led effort to create coalition gov't
- share oil
- U.S.-led Security conference

This plan not specific enough, BUT gets us out THIS year. Bad: keeps us too involved. Disengagement is best, I think.

Dodd
- Immediate re-deployment (not withdrawal from region)
- Out date of 3/08 (but note above)
- U.S. provides continued training and border security
- Fast change of energy policy in U.S. to remove incentive/rationale for being in Iraq. (The only one to bring up the oil imperative! Nice-uh!)

This plan doesn't get us out, but does deal with the oil issue and energy.

Clinton
- Begin withdrawal within 90 days
- Cap # of troops (didn't give #)
- Prohibit any troops for escalation
- No troops cycle in w/o full training and equip.
- Iraqi gov't benchmarks, or stop funding the gov't --> share oil, insurgents out of sec. forces
- International conf.

This plan is vague in the wrong places, but does pressure Iraqi gov't and goes international.

Obama
- Begin phased withdrawal May 1st
- Out by 3/31/08
- Do "some" stuff by "some mechanism"

There's virtually nothing here.

[Ya-ta Boy]

The next president will be the man or woman who can do four things:

a) Convince at least 50%+ that the old conservative values of the Constitution will be safest in his hands. Ironically, this may well take a Liberal to convince the people he is conservative enough to do that job.

b) Offer an inspiring vision of how to solve some of the issues facing the country without scaring the pants off everyone. Reform, not revolution. (Extricate ourselves from Iraq, get the budget deficit under control again like Clinton did, address the issue of the Boomers retiring--which will begin in 2011, and possibly illegal immigration)

c) Restore America's moral authority to lead the world.

d) Escape the GOP attack machine orchestrated attempts at character assassination.

I still think Gore has the best chance of doing all of those things, but since he is being stubborn, it looks like Obama is the best bet at this point.

I don't see how any Republican can get himself elected, because whoever tries will have to disavow the Bush Debacle and alienate the very people he needs to elect him. Their only hope is a Democratic implosion. Not a total impossibility, I admit.

Just by nominating Obama, I think the country would be inspired with the hope that we can really begin to put the issue of race behind us. It wouldn't just be Republican 'talk' about a Big Tent, it would be a physical embodiment of the concept.

"They" say that when LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act he knew he was writing off the South for the Democrats for the next generation. That price has been paid. It's time to move on.

McCain would make a good VeeP for Obama. Some age to balance the youth. The only problem is McCain's party affiliation. (That could be fixed by a well-staged kidnapping in a gunny sack.) It would electrify the country and signal a new start.

Years ago, Alaister Cooke did a multi-part mini-series on the history of America. He made an important point in the episode on the Constitution. He said something about the genius of American politics being compromise, compromise, compromise. It looks to me as if Clinton's and Obama's Third Way is from the same intellectual roots.

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There is zero chance (thank goodness ) that Kucinich would get elected.
But I do hope he runs. In fact it would be great if the Democrats nominate him.

[freshking]