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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: "pee-gu.... peeee-guh.... peeeeeee-guuhhh" Reply with quote

The "lesson" I can hear coming out of a nearby classroom.

Confused

That's what's happening to my pronunciation efforts.

Sad
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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Youch.. Reply with quote

Hey,

Youch - and they wonder what is going wrong.


Rolling Eyes


Michelle
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you bust in there ala Superman and show them how it is really pronounced!

ilovebdt
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is peegu?
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
What is peegu?

Pig? Confused Christ, I just don't know anymore...
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes you have to understand a little of the Korean speaking pattern.

I had some student that were having a hard time tacking the "s" onto the end of words; Songs, sings, Zebras etc.

So I had them say songsu, singsu zebrasu several times, holding their right arm up in the air, then as they consistantly said those mispronunciations, I had them cut off the "u" by dropping the arm, worked like a charm with huge smiles and everything.

I think I am here to correct these issues with the pronunciation. You just need the tricks and an understanding of the formulation of Korean sounds to get past them.

I really don't have a big problem with the mispronunciations when they have a grasp on a huge vocabulary. I think I can get my student to pronounce correctly, once they get it, they carry it into the rest of their vocabulary. I caught one student correcting anothers pronunciation on the playground today. It's catching on pretty good here.

Something that really helps is having co-teachers in the class, they also start practicing their own pronunciations.

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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to be careful not to lte them form bad habits, though. Once you learn to say piguh, instead of pig, its really ahrd to go back. One of the music teachers here, has excellent English-tons of idioms, good structure, etc. HOwver, I have a lot of trouble talking to her b/c her accent is awful. Its embarrassing to me and her when I have to get her to write something down that is quite advanced English. I say stop the bad habits and teach them correct phonics early. Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
Why don't you bust in there ala Superman and show them how it is really pronounced!

She's the director's wife. She runs the show. And yet never tells me how to teach. So, it's not an option... but one can dream...
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
ilovebdt wrote:
Why don't you bust in there ala Superman and show them how it is really pronounced!

She's the director's wife. She runs the show. And yet never tells me how to teach. So, it's not an option... but one can dream...


Do you think that one of your local buds could speak on your behalf in Han Guk Mal? This might prevent any of the usual, attendant face problems and other shite, etc.

Best of luck to you.

R
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing I saw the title of this thread and I thought it was too funny. I can already imagine some little mean Korean kid teasing another chubbier one with his newfound English word. I've seen it.

As far as pronounciation problems, a long time ago I had another student who kept saying: Puh-law-guh! Puh-law-guh! No matter how hard I tried, I couln't get her to pronounce it correctly.








The word was "frog." Confused
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one student named Ryan who uses his English vocabulary solely to insult other students. It's always "Melissa pig! Damian stupid and ugly!" One day he was mocking one of the sweet but nerdy kids and said, "Danny head crazy." Danny, without missing a beat said, "Danny's head IS crazy. Ryan's head has only bad English in it!!"
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this thread was going to be about dodgeball.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roch wrote:
Do you think that one of your local buds could speak on your behalf in Han Guk Mal? This might prevent any of the usual, attendant face problems and other *beep*, etc.

There's no way she could avoid losing face over it. And, really, what could I expect to change? change her teaching? improve the pronunciation of a near forty year old?

I have plenty of courage in general, and wisdom on this matter, but I made this thread in a moment of lacking serenity.
Sympathy and fraternity from fellow ESL teachers is the most I expect here on this.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
I have one student named Ryan who uses his English vocabulary solely to insult other students. It's always "Melissa pig! Damian stupid and ugly!" One day he was mocking one of the sweet but nerdy kids and said, "Danny head crazy." Danny, without missing a beat said, "Danny's head IS crazy. Ryan's head has only bad English in it!!"


Um...that's awesome. I love nerdy sweet kids who know how to stand up for themselves.
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pest1



Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about dodgeball.


I thought so too.

I had some kindergarten kids who could not say "zero". They have been taught to say "zebra" for so long anything that starts with z has to be followed by "br". So instead of saying "zero" they would say "zebro".
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