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madcap



Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Gangneung, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD Wrote
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Who cares? This is a non-issue. Being fat is a choice.


It's a non issue if you discount the fact that heart disease has crept into the #1 spot for causes of death in America. Now, granted, that isn't due solely to being overweight, but it is the major cause of it. Now add to the fact that, as I said earlier, a much larger percentage of the lower class is overweight and those are the same people that are least likely to have insurance, we are paying a *beep* ton of money every year because after eating their Super Sized extra value meal, these people won't walk up two flights of stairs to their apartment.

And also...

Svetlana-

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americans are horrible people.


I hope to christ you are being facetious, because otherwise I don't know where you get the gall to say something like that. "Many Americans are horrible people" is fine, but to judge an entire population based on what little information you obviously have on the subject is just obtuse.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Morbidly obese". Has a nice ring to it, don'tchathink?

"I am sorry to have to tell you this, but you have gone from just obese to MORBIDLY obese. In fact, you are depressing the living hell out of me with your presence. Please leave."
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svetlana wrote:
americans are horrible people.


Green card application get rejected again?
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richardlang



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnhnhyouh wrote:
This PowerPoint shows the percentage of people who are obese on a state by state basis over the last 10 or so years.

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/obesity_trends_2005.ppt

It is from the U.S. Center for Disease Control, about as reputable as it gets.

But here is a map from the last slide. The key shows the percent of people who are obese.



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Known as the Bible, er...Barbeque Belt.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Junior wrote:
Svetlana wrote:
americans are horrible people.


I'll agree with you because your avatar looks sexy.
Laughing

caniff wrote:
BBW porn sites?


BBW porn? Huh? Whazah?

Big Bad Wussy?

Bald But Wiggling?

Boning Big Witches?

Bee-atchy But Wild?


BIG BUTT WOMANLY?
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan Swift's ghost posted:

That graphic is quite revealing. Southern fried food, while marvelous to eat, is terrible for one's figure. It's no coincidence that states with a generally lower level of health education awareness (and education in general), including West Virginia, have such a high percentage of obese citizens. New England has lots of yuppies who are not only weight-conscious but have the financial means to buy the best organic and to indulge in spas and the best body fitness centers. Colorado fits that same demographic. Hawaii conforms to a mostly Asian diet lower in meat consumption (although local food can be fattening among Polynesians).

I'm surprised that the farm states of Indiana and Nebraska rank so high, however. A disproportionate number of Innuit are obese, and this obesity is widely tolerated, hence the Alaskan problem. And obesity in the black community is disproportionately high, again consistent with bad eating habits. In Texas, everyone eats giant portions, making it a haven for fatties.

America's secret weapon in the future will be the threat of sitting on its enemies, it would seem.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My formerly slim cousins emigrated to florida about 10 years back.

Over the years the family photos they've sent have basically documented their now almost complete transformation into being overweight.

Its quite insane because my family as a whole has always been slim. But when you look at the lavish parties and dinners they enjoy -and at the extravagance of the US as a whole, its unsurprising.

Personally I think obesity is down to lifestyle, not DNA. To me its a sin to be grossly overweight. An abuse of the body.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh save the hyperbole. It isn't as if they are eating and as a result some kid in Africa starves. The world is much more complicated than that.

Americans are very social, wealthy and living in a nation with more culinary variety than any other place past or present. Last I was there, in Miami, I couldn't stop stuffing my face with the amazing Cuban/Peruvian food.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Oh save the hyperbole. It isn't as if they are eating and as a result some kid in Africa starves. The world is much more complicated than that.


True, however there is only a finite amount of resources on the earth per person and per nation. The distribution is all out of whack.

Americans (And much of the first world0 devour and waste far more than they actually need. Thats wrong: Exclamation
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We consume more because we produce more. The earth has a finite amount of non-renewable and an infinite amount of renewable resources. Food is renewable.

The problem isn't that we produce/consume too much, but that they produce/consume too little.

But I agree that this is "wrong". I don't think that fat Yankees are the best symbol of why this is wrong. Maybe French farmers would be a better target of scorne.

I'm quite fit. But I dislike the moralizing the world does about fat Americans. Weight is a personal choice.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
We consume more because we produce more. The earth has a finite amount of non-renewable and an infinite amount of renewable resources. Food is renewable.


The petroleum used to fuel the machines to produce food so productively in advanced countries is not renewable.

That doesn't mean I agree consuming x amount of food is wrong. In fact, I find such a statement quite asinine.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Weight is a personal choice.


So is drug-taking, smoking, injecting, exercise, eating healthily, washing, cutting your hair occasionally, brushing your teeth, going to the dentist,and sniffing paint stripper.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, food production does use non-renew. I was being too simplistic. But energy is a whole other issue...

J. I agree. All of those things are personal issues and should be treated as such. Let people be. Some will make good decisions and some will eat a big mac for breakfast. As long as I'm not required to pay for their bad mistakes then it is none of my business.

But, if we do have to pay.. Then, maybe Hayek was right?
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason why people in general are getting fat is because they are eating the same amount now as people did back when they worked their asses off every day laboring at difficult, back-breaking jobs. The eating culture survived, but the hard-working culture didn't.
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madcap



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we DO end up paying for it. Remember heart disease? All those tax dollars going into health care? I'm not saying you can or should regulate how much or what you eat, in fact, I have absolutely no solution in mind that will help the situation, but I think it is important to realize that it's a problem that needs to be adressed.

Also, I agree, the amount I eat in America doesn't affect the lives of people in Africa (the US actually pays farmers or gives them tax breaks NOT to grow crops when they think the surpluss will affect the market price) but it isn't entirely the African people's fault that they can't produce enough. African soil, for the most part, sucks. It doesn't yield nearly what we can produce in the mid west except for along the Niger and Nile rivers. Add to the fact that the population is expanding rapidly and the Sahara is expanding on both sides every year because of global climate change, there is a lot less arable land for farmers to feed a lot more people. They will need some serious help eventually. It would be nice if we could jump start their economies so that they could BUY food from us instead of us just giving it to them.
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