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Tiger Beer
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| Bush got re-elected because we were still early enough along in Iraq for the public to think that there was a positive conclusion still possible. Kerry wasn't exactly a strong opponent either. The real players in the Democratic party knew better than to try to unseat the incumbent in the middle of a war. |
Not only that.. but Kerry was under the Bush Lite plan. Basically he said he was going to mimic/imitate everything with Bush for Iraq.. the only difference was that he thought the UN would support him over Bush in doing the Iraq thing only because he was 'not Bush'.
Not much of a plan at all. The fact he got 49% was astonishing; figuring he had no plan whatsoever except for the 'not-Bush' plan (which somewhat sorta seemed like it could have been good enough for that election). |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm curious if anyone things McCain will stay in for the long haul. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Were it not for Gullani McCain would still be the front runner. Most Gullani supporters would happily support McCain. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain would make a good VeeP for Obama. |
*beep* no, McCain is becoming more of a self-parody by the day.
What I'd like to see is Obama/Richardson, Richardson has lots of great foreign policy experience and is very smart but not enough charisma grab a nomination. He'd be perfect for VP. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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If McCain is going to stay in it for the long haul, then he'd better get some money. What I read is that most of the money he's raised is already spent. Which makes sense why he would start laying off staff.
I very much doubt those who support Guiliani would support McCain, most people are going to pick one or the other to back financially and logistically (by that I mean volunteering time to a campaign).
Also McCain's numbers look rather weak. I wonder why that is?
(don't answer that, it's not really a question) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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What I meant was that most people who like McCain also like Gullani and the other way around.
If Gullaini were not in the race McCain would still be the front runner.
And both of them match up well with any Democrat in the general election. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Ok, yes that probably is true in terms of supporting one or the other if say one of them quits or something.
The polls show it a close race with most of the match ups. My feeling is that Rudy has a better shot, especially given McCain's recent singing stunt. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that singing stunt was far worse than Dean's cheerleading in the Iowa primaries last time around. 
gang ah jee:
Good thread topic. Hope you can keep it going before it gets flamed. But don't worry, it won't get lock even if posters start to bash every presidential candidate, vilifying their lineage, and posting gross caricatures. That only happens if criticism is levied at our "dear host country" as I can personally attest to tonight.
Wonder if Bill will sign off with a wink and a nod if Gore enters the fray. That would be a bit dicey for the El Camino Kid, eh?
It would be the height of irony if Gore was the nominee and Hillary was his running mate. Someone I don't think she would swallow her pride in that eventuality. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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As for the Repubs..... welll.... Guliani is insane . |
Guliani is well ahead of the pack. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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That only happens if criticism is levied at our "dear host country" as I can personally attest to tonight.
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How many times are you going to whine about that in one day? |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Kucinich is one I've been listening to. He's about the only candidate who opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq from long before it happened and also has never voted for any funding of the war.
Go here to hear most of the major Democrats' takes on Iraq. Great stuff.
Probably not electable: too intelligent and too steeped in true America values. |
Then he's got as about much chance of a sowball in hell of winning if he ran! Why, Iraq was a dangerous country and needed to be attacked. At the end of the first Gulf War, Iraq had OVER 6,500 chemical weapons in their inventory.
These are weapons that Iraq admitted to having.
Where are those weapons??? What happened to them?
Everyone know that Iraq had chemical weapons and had a history of using them against
both Iran and it's own people.Us and British intel. suggested that Iraq was developing Nukes.
I still believe this to be the case. I suspect that the contraband materials are in Syria with
the missing arsenel of chemical weapons. If Iraq was not developing a new weapons program
why did Saddam spend all those years blocking all of the UN inspections that were mandated
to at the end of the first Gulf War. If Saddam would not have blocked UN inspections he would still
be living in a palace drinking wine enjoying the company of his mistress.Why did he give up everything
to hide a nonexistant weapons program.
Iraq had months to hide all of it's contrband, they knew we were coming.
Saddam violated the terms of his surrender.He blocked UN inspections, and he fired on US and
British aircraft over 500 times after his surrender.He has a history of invading neighbouring countries .
Saddam has a history of ACTUALLY USING WMDs ON HUMAN BEINGS.
I'm holding out for Jeb to throw in his hat at the last minute!  |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kucinich. Loser. EFL Trainer=Nice juxtaposition. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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As far as Replican's go.. Guiliani is alright more or less politically (at least he's not a extreme rightwing nutjob). However the man has no plan for Iraq. Hilliary doesn't have a plan either.
Either one of three things is going to need to happen:
1) Withdraw troops.
2) Balkanize Iraq.
3) Redeploy troops away from Baghdad.
Maintaining 1000s of sitting ducks with targets on their backs walking around Baghdad everyday from now until forever hasn't worked the last five years.. and won't be suddenly working anytime soon either.
Why not build a huge badass military base right on top of the oil. Move in Bush's oil company buddies and Cheney's Haliburton concessionaries buddies.. and just have them all camp out right there instead? The next administration can just get some kind of kickbacks from that.. and we can start focusing on rebuilding our economic wealth, paying off our looming sinking debt, build some new markets, focus on some major domestic issues, etc. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Kucinich. Loser. EFL Trainer=Nice juxtaposition. |
That's keeping it real.
Wanker.
What's really amusing is that you support traitors and think being equated with a patriot is an insult.
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