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Real Reality
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 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:01 am Post subject: Provide Visa Waiver to Koreans. Why not? |
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Bush Urged to Provide Visa Waiver to Koreans
American business leaders have urged the Bush Administration to provide a visa waiver to Koreans traveling to the United States.
The call was reiterated in the Korea-U.S. Business Council meeting, which closed its two-day session in Washington yesterday. In the meeting, the Institute for International Economics chairman Peter G. Peterson was quoted as having said the undervalued Chinese Yuan hurting the U.S. economy needs to be appreciated by 25 percent and consequently, the Korean won also should be appreciated by 10 percent.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200309/kt2003092417455610440.htm |
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posco's trumpet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:22 am Post subject: |
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khyber
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:50 am Post subject: |
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In the Joongang Daily, we see: Korean mothers who gave birth in U.S. held
The headline is inexcusable |
the headline is inexcusable because it is apt or....
the article says...The women were held on visa violations, charged with having come to the country for reasons other than stated on their entry permits
sounds like a SERIOUS bent on the truth to me.... :?
i'm not joking about all this baby stuff (or saying it's isn't a scam)...i'm saying that you (over)reaction to the "impartiality" of this article is...strange, in my view.
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| How long did the immigration authorities hold the mothers? Was it any longer than the duration of their questioning? Apparently not. Were the mothers held in prison cells, or were they held in a waiting room? It's not said. The headline makes me think that innocent Korean moms are being incarcerated in U.S. jails |
Well, that's your take isn't it. I wouldn't have thought that held meant that. Held to me doesn't mean much in this context. The idea that they got arrested and then were let go? Well frankly, that doesn't seem overly "koreocentric" to me....AND, it never once says the word "unjustifiably" in the whole article.
frnakly, to me that headline seems pretty apt. I would think that your headlines (esp. 2,3) see CONSIDERABLY more prejudice since they seem to be attempting to inspire hatred
let it ALSO be known that this service was being provided by a Lost Angeles based agency. I can't image what you would have said (or what basis you would have had for saying it) if it would have been a korea company.
But what if we change the headlines to read this: "A traitor in our midst" or "Someone's trying to bring down the American race". Sounds like that is getting to the REAL issue here...unpatriotic Americans.
b]If I violated the terms of my Korean visa, I would be fined and deported within a week regardless of the state of my health. [/b]
Dude, that is full on LAUGHABLE!!! How many people are breaking the terms of ...
gotta go
finish later |
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posco's trumpet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:44 am Post subject: |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Koreans can't qualify for visa waiver....the 2 main requirements are that they have machine readeable passports which I believe most Korean passports are....fine
2nd....too many violations of US visa laws...the country (Korea) must maintain 2% or less in visa violations for at least 3 years running....the last statistic I saw on that point was approx. 20% of Koreans consistently violate the terms of the visa....
so....NO VWP!!!!! |
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scarneck
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:29 am Post subject: |
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The US immigration policy eats it. Our borders are wide open. I say crack down on Visa violations, as any other county does. Expell violators like bad street food. 
Enforce the legal avenues of visitation and applying for work permits, tourist visas and citizenship. Git rid of the policy of "If you break water on US soil, the kid is a citizen." Don't get me started on California's policy of allowing illegals driver's licenses and tuition....
You all know what usually happens if you violate your visas in Korea! They got you by the short hairs!!
Tit for tat, you kick my dog, I'll kick your cat... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| That 20% violation rate statistic is interesting. Where did you find it? |
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khyber
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Inexcusable because they were questioned and RELEASED. Try looking up that word in your dictionary, Kyber. Does RELEASED ever mean HELD? If it does, then the headline is accurate. If it doesn't, then it's inaccurate |
funny you mention this..... You know, i may not be as brilliant as yourself but "held" is a past tense word. Right, Mr. Man? And, as far as i know, they WERE "held". They were also "questioned and released", you're right. But that isn't part of the headline. And why need it be? If the past tense "held" is used, couldn't be assumed that they are then ALSO released? Otherwise, it seems "are being held" would be a MUCH more apropot choice of words.
Remember: You're the man (i'll keep reminding you)
So, let's look at that headline?
Korean mothers who gave birth in U.S. released.
Damn! I didn't even know they were being held.
So, while they were released, using the word "held" in the headline (unless properly contextualized...as in your examples) isn't as big as deal as you seem to make it. Don't you think?
I agree that "misappropriating" visas is wrong. Not about to disagree with that. Interesting scan but not legal.
OMG!!!! Are you [sic]ing a mistype...(frnakly....funny, i thought that was how you spelled frnakly). Nice one guy. You are the man!!!
funny, i have heard the expression "over the top". i just assumed, from the tone of that article that you were a bigot and i expected headlines akin to what you wrote. My bad..
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I don't break the terms of my visa. As far as anybody else goes, I don't know and I don't care. It's not relevant. Ever heard of logic, fella? Does the frequency with which someone else breaks a law have any bearing on me? Does the frequency with which you *beep* cause my John Thomas to get friction burns? Any violation of Korean immigration law has NOTHING (read that again, Khyber: NOTHING) to do with violation of US immigration law, unless the violations are being committed by the same person under the same pretext.
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So, you don't care if other foreigners break korean visas but you DO care if Koreans break American visas. Sounds pretty "logically sound" to me. I wonder if you hold everything in your life up to such a rigorous double standard of right and wrong. I hope so!!! :P
No, see that's where your wrong posco...why would "pretext" of breakin a law make ANY difference at all? I robbed a store b/c my family is too poor for bread...I robbed a store b/c i need to buy crack. Sadly, you break the law, you break the law.
Law breaking so that youre kid, at a later date could become a us citizen; working illegally to make more money. pretext is moot (do you know moot?), dude.
You want to believe that to be true so you don't look like such an idiot (just teasin). Just kiddin....YOU'RE STILL THE MAN!!!
And let's PLEASE not get into an argument about which is better or worse, or more reasonable or "right" or wrong or whatever. Accept the fact that breaking a countries visa laws is universally illegal be it zimbabwe, Brazil, US, Russia. Nothing is less better or worse. You know (or should know
the rules), you break them...you break them...what difference should it make on the country? please essplain this as it's the only interesting part in your post.
You know, feel free to critique me and such but don't call me names when you look just as retarded as i do.
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[b]Let it ALSO be known that Khbyer is a liar, a misinformed fool or some kind of corporate dupe:
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:lol: :lol: I LOVE that, i've never been called a corporate dupe:
by the way...i'd go for misinformed fool...i'm going by what you're giving me here (perhaps that was my mistake)
that was an interesting link. Also provided by the joongang daily. Interesting that they run a BLATANT "ANti-US" article (...is that what you meant with your first post...or simply that it was "jingoistic") and follow it with a link to an article that is "anti-korean".
outside of that. My bad. I only knew the information you provided. I'd guess you wouldn't have done anything to research further had i not egged you on. DAMN...now i know just to agree with what you say..
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Ya kinda lost track, guy.... WTF are you babbling about? Traitor in whose midst? What traitor? American race? unpatriotic Americans? I don't know which is worse -- your lack of sense or your blind dumb ignorance about life outside Korea.
yess.... You are TOTALLY right!!! |
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Learn to think, boy.
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YOU'RE the man. YOU ARE THE MAN PT!!!
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Don't bother, unless you get some IDEAS, some FACTS and some notion of how to put them in a comphrehensible sequence. |
Oh man!! I can't believe EVERYONE doesn't know you're the man!
oh wait (if i may). I don't need facts do it? I was never arguing facts with you. I never said you were wrong. Now, after you've provided the second list i understand it all. What i was discussing is your "over" reaction to this article by quoting things you said that i thought were a bit "over the top"
you're the man pt! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| That 20% violation rate statistic is interesting. Where did you find it? |
i have the same question.
I just was looking at the visa requirements for a USA visa. Personally I think they're a tad too much, especially the photo requirements. Its really anal (eyes have to be in a certain spot in picture, white background, etc etc). |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:23 am Post subject: |
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the 20% rate was maybe a year ago on an immigration website...the info is out there...I'll search again...but Asians consistently violate US visa law...but then again, who doesn't?!
I did a lot of research on US immigration law several years ago and is quite interesting...too bad we aren't capable of enforcing them...jeeze...but that is for another thread |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: |
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agnosto
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:47 am Post subject: Re: FYI |
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Great page.. but 30,000 looks like a pretty pale number compared to many other nationalities.. it ranks 18th is quite low compared to the numbers of alot of other countries illegal immigrant numbers..
Generally though, the laws that are so strongly against South Korea (kind of treating them in the same category as a Mexico or southeast Asia isn't quite right.. they should have more access to tourist and study visas much like a Western Europe or country like Japan. I think thats the real problem there. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tip, Mr Man!!!!
That'll be handy. Boy I never thought of "reading" in a discussion forum.
but since we're trading tips.
perhaps you should consider not basing your whole argument on the correct use of the word "held" (again, past tense...so you know). This is especially true, when your argument is inane.
one last time, here's the ringer:
The headline (at least) borders on the jingoistic,
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sos i asks the guy
"how the hell do i win?"
the guy says to me,
"put the last 2 cents in" |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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