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[freethought]

I think what's been said in this thread is bang on.

1. you don't go to university to get a job, you go to get an education. You can go do bio at a university, but to get a job as a doctor, you have to go to med school. Same for many if not most 'business' degrees. If you want a real job you go get your MBA.

2. A favourite term of the conservative 'accountability'. When I did my BA I had a radio show that eventually had a snippet in Macleans and a threat of a law suit by canada's largest media corp. I worked in no fewer than 4 elections in various capacities, I restored the exteriors of heritage buildings... If you want skills and experience you have to actually do something to get them, something that doesn't seem to dawn on many young people these days.

[fusionbarnone]

I liked the charactor in the Count of Monte Christo who became teacher to Dontess. He had memorized 120 of the most important books in a library of 5,000 tomes.

That's and education.

[Svetlana]

Bachelor of Arts degrees just mean you did not have good enough grades to get into a real program at university. BAs are filler degrees. Remember looking through your program guide and wishing you had the grades to get into Journalism or Engineering??? Be thankful you were accepted to university at all.

[mindmetoo]

[thepeel]

For my friends first day of J-school in Sask, all students were required to have read the oh-so-very Sept 10th/2001 phenom, No Logo. That was all that was asked. Maybe that isn't related..

Anyhow, back to my op. I liked the quote that the only job liberal arts prepares you for is teaching liberal arts. If the point is to be "educated", then we would all have done better to spend time in the library after finishing work at a good job. I don't know if absorbing doctrinaire leftist propaganda to spit back for good grades is being educated.

[jinju]

[Kuros]

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[bixlerscott]

So BA degrees are a filler? Whats your take on BS degrees?

I earned a BS in Business Administration from an AACSB business school at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and found no jobs available upon gradution in 2005 after many thousands of hours of research, networking, and traveling the USA. This degree was a bugger to earn as the advanced math, science, and economics studies were very advanced, using MBA level books with Phd professors not to mention the competition in the program was fierce, but I achieved it. What was to come for me after the program is even harder due to finance and economic realities.(my classmates came from affluent families, but I came through using debt and grants) It was very hard and expensive to achieve!!! They promised me the world and lied in the process!!!

No jobs in the American economy (jobless growth and historic stock market highs due to global ventures performance) other than low paying going no where retail sales, telemarketing, and accounting jobs. Just BS cubicle jobs in corrupt corporations presenting a hostile and boring work environment. I considered teaching in the states, but found that school districts and the political environment was terribly hostile so I foregoed that option. I learned about teaching in Asia by an advertisement NOVA of Japan listed through my university career services. I interviewed with a European woman with NOVA who didn't like me from the get go and needless to say, I did not get the job despite my best attempts. I encountered the same nonsense at investment banks and large corporations like Boeing, AT&T, Chicago Mercantile Exchange, AG Edwards, Reuters, many other brokerages, and many smaller companies. No opportunities, except $8/hour jobs with no benfits or future included. All for the executives and nothing for those aspiring for an adequate career. Pitiful scenario....

As a previous Canadian poster in this thread mentioned, maximizing profits is top priority, not job creation which is why American innovation is non existent today, unless were talking about a way to make an executive richer though a financial scheme of some sort of another. I went to many of those thingy's held at business class hotels and find they are jokes that require lots of money to get into and then you lose anyhow unless your the biggest fish in the great sea.

Corporate America, Europe, and Canada has little opportunity to offer university graduates unless they are Ivy league or have important social connections such as being related to someone in the industry of choice. Nepotism rules in Western job markets which is characteristic of all developed mature markets where there is a huge widening gap between rich and poor where education means little, but yet is highly emphasized within the culture such as in America, Canada, and Europe. Oh, what will become of all that student loan debt that is burdening those who seek to better themselves in such difficult times of declination??????? High level of default like that is becoming more common in real estate???

This is not your parents or grand parents world anymore, not like when they were young adults where good jobs were plentiful (after WWII) and real estate was a bargain deal to build wealth. Hell, today, home ownership is not even an option unless your willing to tread water and hope you make it to the end of the mortgage. (not likely in quickly changing job markets unless you got inheritance to cover you) Oh, what easy times those were for the previous generations after WWII. Until the year 2000 came that is.