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Master violinist gets ignored in the subway
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Master violinist gets ignored in the subway Reply with quote

A long, yet fascinating read about what happened when they took classical violinist, Joshua Bell, and set him up in a subway to perform as a busker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html

I don't much about the guy beyond his name, but his skill was undeniable, even in the small videos that come with the article.

The argument was that we don't recognize fine art without the context it's normally found in. I'm not sure sure about that, as it seems to me that we can appreciate it even without needing to stop and listen for a while. (Which explains why we can enjoy something like 1812 Overture while Bugs Bunny is dropping anvils on Elmer Fudd's head.)

What do you think?
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

High C was a tad off... not sure I'd dig up a few pennies for it or not.

Give me a call when Snoop Dogg performs.

Laughing
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: Master violinist gets ignored in the subway Reply with quote

Maybe average people just don't appreciate classical music, no matter how talented.
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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read the article but subways are for people going places. That's the context.

Here's an analogy:

I like burgers. I don't want to eat burgers everyday on holiday in Asia. Do I disrespect burgers? No. There's a time and place for everything.

Hell, if Prince showed up in my bed on a Sunday morning lie in I'd probably push him aside. Do I think Prince is anything less than Gods gift to mankind? No. But, again, there's a time and a place for everything.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: Master violinist gets ignored in the subway Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Maybe average people just don't appreciate classical music, no matter how talented.


As Bell said in the article, "Context matters." People were going to work, they have other things on their minds. He was just another busker among the many they have ignored before while going to work.
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The King of Kwangju



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
I haven't read the article but subways are for people going places. That's the context.

Read the article. You'll find it interesting.

There are a few guy in the Toronto subway that are really great. One is a Chinese guy who plays what I assume is classical Chinese music at Union Station.

After reading this, I reckon I should give him a few dollars.
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I pass a musician playing for pocket change, i throw down some pocket change, even if it's just a few 10 and 100 won coins, even if he sucks.

They make city life better.
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat



Joined: 01 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes a lot for me to want to give change- since I play guitar myself (and quite well) I just can't be bothered to give money to some guy playing on the street unless he's quite a bit better than me, or doing a really excellent job. As for other instruments, I can still judge the skill level pretty well (music is music) and unless they're close to professional, I just can't be bothered... I actually find a lot of buskers to be annoying, as they just play stupid songs (like "Yesterday") and not very well at that.

I have given money to outstanding buskers in the past. If I heard a master violinist, I would definitely know something was up (and probably dig up some change). It's not that hard to recognise real quality (given the large amount of mediocre or just plain crappy buskers out there for comparison).

My guess is the subway station is the wrong place. When I get off the subway, I don't give a damn what's going on around me, I just want to get the hell of their as quickly as possible...
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The King of Kwangju



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat wrote:
When I get off the subway, I don't give a damn what's going on around me, I just want to get the hell of their as quickly as possible...

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If we can't take the time out of our lives to stay a moment and listen to one of the best musicians on Earth play some of the best music ever written; if the surge of modern life so overpowers us that we are deaf and blind to something like that -- then what else are we missing?

Did anyone even read the article?

twg, thanks for posting. I just got a chance to reread it on a computer with flash installed. The videos make all the difference.

A really fantastic story.
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The King of Kwangju wrote:
Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat wrote:
When I get off the subway, I don't give a damn what's going on around me, I just want to get the hell of their as quickly as possible...

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If we can't take the time out of our lives to stay a moment and listen to one of the best musicians on Earth play some of the best music ever written; if the surge of modern life so overpowers us that we are deaf and blind to something like that -- then what else are we missing?

Did anyone even read the article?

twg, thanks for posting. I just got a chance to reread it on a computer with flash installed. The videos make all the difference.

A really fantastic story.

Fair enough. I wasn't really trying to defend anything, just offer some kind of explanation. Subway stations are some of the worst, most claustrophobic and anxiety-inducing places I can think of. Give me a master violinist outside in the fresh air, in a park or near a cafe anyday, and you're on.

Anyway, I agree it's a sad state of affairs...


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khyber



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it considered how many people were listening to music of their own on a music player of their own? I mean, when I walk around the subway here, I'd say at least 30% of the people walkin' around have their own music.

I think busking is more complex than this article would have you believe.
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
I wonder if it considered how many people were listening to music of their own on a music player of their own? I mean, when I walk around the subway here, I'd say at least 30% of the people walkin' around have their own music.

I think busking is more complex than this article would have you believe.

Actually that's a great point. Ever since I bought an ipod I usually listen to it walking down the street, to tune out all the grating noise (cuz 99% of the time, that's all you ever hear in the city). It's not like master violinists are playing in subway stations on a daily basis afterall...
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The King of Kwangju



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
I wonder if it considered how many people were listening to music of their own on a music player of their own? I mean, when I walk around the subway here, I'd say at least 30% of the people walkin' around have their own music.

I think busking is more complex than this article would have you believe.

I'm serious. Please. Read the article.
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There's nothing wrong with Myint's hearing. He had buds in his ear. He was listening to his iPod.

For many of us, the explosion in technology has perversely limited, not expanded, our exposure to new experiences. Increasingly, we get our news from sources that think as we already do. And with iPods, we hear what we already know; we program our own playlists.
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cangel



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It was 7:51 a.m. on Friday, January 12, the middle of the morning rush hour.�

Well, duh!!! They set him up to play during rush hour in Washington DC and very few people stop... WOW what mental genius came up with this scenario. How many people have the time to stop and appreciate the music? Yeah, I've finally got that high paying government gig with all the benefits and well, now it's time to smell the roses. Pure genius. Try setting him up on a weekend, on the mall in from of the White House and see how many people stop and listen-probably a lot. But it's better press to just call Washingtonians uncultured neophytes.
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The King of Kwangju wrote:
I'm serious. Please. Read the article.

thanks for insisting it was a good read.
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