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Sophocles

Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Location: MetroSeoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: Canadian vs. American education: the Korean perception? |
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I was talking with a student's mom the other day and she was saying that Koreans are under the impression that the education system in the US was better than in Canada. She was so convinced of this that even after having paid the tuitiion for her two boys to go to school in Canada, she chnaged her mind after recieving some advice and lost a bunch of cash just to change their destination to the US.
I'd have to say that overall, for elementary and junior high education, they're about on par. This, I believe, is variable depending on where you live in each country, but being Canadian, I always thought they were about the same.
Has anyone else encountered this idea? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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I was under the impression the American school system is under a lot more pressure than the Canadian system is, and they're always a few years ahead of us in terms of violence, drop-outs, and overcrowded classrooms.
But anyway, there are some places in the US where they teach the Bible in science class, maybe not everywhere, but that itself is a blemish enough to taint the whole institution.
American universities are definitely more prestigious than Canadian ones though. |
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blynch

Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: UCLA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I was under the impression the American school system is under a lot more pressure than the Canadian system is, and they're always a few years ahead of us in terms of violence, drop-outs, and overcrowded classrooms.
But anyway, there are some places in the US where they teach the Bible in science class, maybe not everywhere, but that itself is a blemish enough to taint the whole institution.
American universities are definitely more prestigious than Canadian ones though. |
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captaincrick
Joined: 23 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Canadians get a 5% GPA boost when transferring into an American post secondary institution. (However, I believe this may be limited)
Even the American school system thinks the Canadian one is better.
Truth is, who cares. When you get the piece of paper in the end, no one cares where you went to school or what your GPA was.
If American Schools where cheaper I would have no problem going to school in the USA. |
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ChuckECheese

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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Truth is, who cares. When you get the piece of paper in the end, no one cares where you went to school or what your GPA was. |
Apparently, the Korean parent that OP mentioned cares.  |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Location: korreia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well, a couple of points:
-Canadian universities, I've heard, count 80%-100% as an "A" grade. All the others are pushed back by 10%. Lowered standards?
-There is no "American public education." Public schools receive very little of their funding from the federal government. The biggest funds come from the individual states, followed by the city/school district taxes. Basically, Alabama's public schools are completely unrelated to California's are completely unrelated to Michigan's. Impossible to compare Canadian and American public schools. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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captaincrick wrote: |
Canadians get a 5% GPA boost when transferring into an American post secondary institution. (However, I believe this may be limited)
Even the American school system thinks the Canadian one is better.
Truth is, who cares. When you get the piece of paper in the end, no one cares where you went to school or what your GPA was.
If American Schools where cheaper I would have no problem going to school in the USA. |
Ahhh, says who?[/b] |
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leebumlik69
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: DiRectly above you. Pissing Down
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian vs. American education: the Korean perception? |
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Sophocles wrote: |
I was talking with a student's mom the other day and she was saying that Koreans are under the impression that the education system in the US was better than in Canada. She was so convinced of this that even after having paid the tuitiion for her two boys to go to school in Canada, she chnaged her mind after recieving some advice and lost a bunch of cash just to change their destination to the US.
I'd have to say that overall, for elementary and junior high education, they're about on par. This, I believe, is variable depending on where you live in each country, but being Canadian, I always thought they were about the same.
Has anyone else encountered this idea? |
Here's the real reality as it were. Scroll to the
bottom.
http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm
Looks like NZ is #1 for school edu in English speaking world!
Ah, I'll save you the bother. Here:
OECD/PISA Study:
Reading Literacy
1. Finland
2. Canada
3. New Zealand
4. Australia
5. Ireland
6. Korea
7 United Kingdom
8. Japan
9. Sweden
10. Austria
11. Belgium
12. Iceland
13. Norway
14. France
15. United States
16. Denmark
17. Switzerland
18. Spain
19. Czech Republic
20. Italy
21. Germany
22. Liechtenstein
23. Hungary
24. Poland
25. Greece
26. Portugal
27. Russian Federation
28. Latvia
29. Luxembourg
30. Mexico
31. Brazil
OECD/PISA Study:
Mathematical Literacy
1. Japan
2. Korea
3. New Zealand
4. Finland
5. Australia
6. Canada
7. Switzerland
8. United Kingdom
9. Belgium
10. France
11. Austria
12. Denmark
13. Iceland
14. Liechtenstein
15. Sweden
16. Ireland
17. Norway
18. Czech Republic
19. United States
20. Germany
21. Hungary
22. Russian Federation
23. Spain
24. Poland
25. Latvia
26. Italy
27. Portugal
28. Greece
29. Luxembourg
30. Mexico
31. Brazil
OECD/PISA Study:
Scientific Literacy
1. Korea
2. Japan
3. Finland
4. United Kingdom
5. Canada
6. New Zealand
7. Australia
8. Austria
9. Ireland
10. Sweden
11. Czech Republic
12. France
13. Norway
14. United States
15. Hungary
16. Iceland
17. Belgium
18. Switzerland
19. Spain
20. Germany
21. Poland
22. Denmark
23. Italy
24. Liechtenstein
25. Greece
26. Russian Federation
27. Latvia
28. Portugal
29. Luxembourg
30. Mexico
31. Brazil |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Might be slightly off the point but Korea's total university budget is less than Harvards. That came from a Korean friend of mine.
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Location: korreia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure that list is exactly an indication of public school quality. You'd have to keep in mind that a large, populous country like the US (getting close to ten times the population of Canada) is going to have a higher proportion of dropouts or the impoverished who never make it to school.
Korea (Canada) outranks Japan (United States) - to put it in terms people on this board might better appreciate. Is it because they are smarter? Have a better system? I'd tend to lean toward the explanation that 40 million people (40 million people) are easier to educate than 120 million people (300 million people).
And to reiterate, public education depends entirely upon what state you live in. A large state like CA tends to have an average reputation, while, true, the deep south tends to have more problems, which is why you often hear of the "prayer in school" debates originating from there. |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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exactly! thats why China and India arent on the list as well.
Its all relative for eg India produces more science graduates than Europe but still has low levels of comparative literacy per head of its -huge- populus (mainly in remote and rural locations).
reactionary wrote: |
Korea (Canada) outranks Japan (United States) - to put it in terms people on this board might better appreciate. Is it because they are smarter? Have a better system? I'd tend to lean toward the explanation that 40 million people (40 million people) are easier to educate than 120 million people (300 million people).
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leebumlik69
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: DiRectly above you. Pissing Down
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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stevieg4ever wrote: |
exactly! thats why China and India arent on the list as well.
Its all relative for eg India produces more science graduates than Europe but still has low levels of comparative literacy per head of its -huge- populus (mainly in remote and rural locations).
reactionary wrote: |
Korea (Canada) outranks Japan (United States) - to put it in terms people on this board might better appreciate. Is it because they are smarter? Have a better system? I'd tend to lean toward the explanation that 40 million people (40 million people) are easier to educate than 120 million people (300 million people).
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Right!! That's why Korea is so far ahead of Finland. It's not ahead of Finland (at least not substantially) and Finland has a low population ~ about 6 million I think. Your population explanation is absurd at best and you have no source. Where are the results!! |
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passport220

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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With a standardized national Korean school system, I think one thing Koreans have a hard time getting there head around is that the quality of an American school can vary wildly depending on the local school district. A high % of funding and important policies are in the hands of local school boards. A well funded, well managed American school can stand up to any school in the world. On the other hand there are plenty that are shite. I don�t know about the Canadian system. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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passport220 wrote: |
With a standardized national Korean school system, I think one thing Koreans have a hard time getting there head around is that the quality of an American school can vary wildly depending on the local school district. A high % of funding and important policies are in the hands of local school boards. A well funded, well managed American school can stand up to any school in the world. On the other hand there are plenty that are *beep*. I don�t know about the Canadian system. |
Yep. Things vary wildly from state to state. Maine spends about $9,000 per student per year, while Utah spends $4,000. National test scores vary a lot too. At any rate, the lady is stupid if she's sending her kids to school in America just because it's America.
I think Canadians are proud of stuff like education and healthcare and crime, the way Koreans are proud of their soccer team. Insult that and you hit them where it hurts. And suggest that America/Japan is better at education/soccer, and you're in for fight! |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
passport220 wrote: |
With a standardized national Korean school system, I think one thing Koreans have a hard time getting there head around is that the quality of an American school can vary wildly depending on the local school district. A high % of funding and important policies are in the hands of local school boards. A well funded, well managed American school can stand up to any school in the world. On the other hand there are plenty that are *beep*. I don’t know about the Canadian system. |
Yep. Things vary wildly from state to state. Maine spends about $9,000 per student per year, while Utah spends $4,000. National test scores vary a lot too. At any rate, the lady is stupid if she's sending her kids to school in America just because it's America.
I think Canadians are proud of stuff like education and healthcare and crime, the way Koreans are proud of their soccer team. Insult that and you hit them where it hurts. And suggest that America/Japan is better at education/soccer, and you're in for fight! |
Dude, Canada has enough crime to go around, it isn't something we are proud about. Yes, you guys have a lot more, but compared to most other countries at our level, we have more.
Canada is the same as the USA in that everything varies from province to province. A teacher from one can't even teach in another. We have no standardized tests even within provinces, at least we didn't. My elementary school was fantastic, clean and safe, while the one a good 400 metres away from ours was a crap-hole with fights everyday and crappy facilities. This was in a town with 4 public elementary schools. |
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