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[MrSeoul]

JC Canada Recruitment from Ontario Canada. The guy is Korean and very aggressive. If you need more info send a pm.

After submitting my application to a school he recommended, I found out from a posting on this site that a teacher who worked there previously was ignored by the staff and treated horribly. Although I had applied without this knowledge, I was actually interviewed by the school which actually went pretty well. He e-mailed me a few days later saying they refused my application. I was shocked and asked him the reason why (even though I had no intention on taking that job). I had a strange feeling something was fishy. He proceeded to tell me that the school thought I did not have enough experience. I have a University degree and a Celta and already have experience.

The former teacher ended up quiting. For lack of a better understanding I was curious as to whether or not this came from the school or him. So just to see his reaction I told him I would have a Korean friend call the school and find out what happened. Sure enough the guy flipped out completely and became very aggressive. Funny thing is before any of this happened he told me to find another recruiter. No reason was given. I told him I was not happy with his service and that I would report my experience with his agency. I knew at this point the guy was lying and told him I would make everyone aware of what happened.

He proceeded to threaten me with Police, Lawyers and even said he would blacklist me with Korean immigration. I ignored his e-mails and sure enough fifteen minutes later I get another e-mail from him stating that he just got an e-mail back from schools in Seoul and that they are VERY interested in me. I asked him to contact me the next day and we would discuss it, and that if he fullfilled his duties as a recruiter I would put this behind us. Instead of contacting me nicely the next day he kept e-mailing me with threats again with the lawyers, police and immigration. I told him I thought we put this behind us, and he kept babbling on. This guy should be avoided he has a problem.

Here is the school this recruiter tried to place me in. I don't know how to cross reference a post because i'm new to Dave's Cafe, but if you do a search you can find "Warning: Moontae High School" here is what a previous teacher had to say. This was the school he tried to place me in and he claims he has fourteen years experience.[/url]

[Bibbitybop]

I've got an idea: Post his information, then everyone who dislikes crap recruiters can flood their inbox and voice mail with fake applications.

[ChuckECheese]

Why even bother....

Screw him.. There are plenty of reputable recruiters out there.

[ED209]

He probably got the school a another teacher he was working with and as a Korean wasn't expecting someone to question him or check up on what was said. He then reacted the only way he knew how, not through civility but through idle threats and trying to beat you down like the underling he imagines foreigners should be.

Good for you for checking up on him, don't worry about his emails but do keep them, you can report him too. Hell, post them here if you want.

There are good recruiters and good jobs out there but it's tough searching through all the chaff.

[MrSeoul]

If you think it will help others and prevent them from a bad experience sure.


I just got back and checked your message. I called them up and they said they decide not to hire you. One of the senior officer insisted to hire someone with more experience. I have forwarded your resume to schools in and around Seoul. I do not know how long is would take and who is going to be interested in your qualification for now. If you have any good position you can sign then you can just go ahead and sign it. I have not problem.

Sorry about the position.


All this came out of nowhere, and after having a phone conversation (after I received this e-mail) and asking for the name of the person he spoke to at the school he flips out. I disconnected the line and he phones back. I did not answer but I sent him this reply:

I am going to post about my experience with you on Dave's cafe. I just registered and I will just let people know what has happened. I'm sorry but I cannot trust you. I will have my friend call the school tomorrow, and if I find out that you're lying. I will report you to the Better Business Burea of Ontario.


Thanks and have a great day.

His reply:

Do it.

You will have to see my lawyer in the court or get charged with slander by the police. Remember I am in canada and have all email records.

I am doing my best and nothing to loss.

Good that you send the threat by email.

Good luck on your job searching.

His second threat

Please let me know whether I need to contact the police with your previouse email by tomorrow. If you say yes I will sure to contact the police. I also have a option to black list you but would not do it because that is a risky option to take.



My reply:

I have every right to sense mistrust in you. That's not a crime. Like I said I will get down to the bottom of it. You can call the police. I never threatened you with bodily harn and I never would. So unless you have any proof that I did the police will and cannot do anything. Remember you are in Canada and freedom of speech is part of the first amendment.

Have a nice day, and please do not e-mail me again.

Thank you

His reply

We will see what the police is going to say.

This is not a freedom of speech. When you take an action you are responsible for it.

He tries to quote me here:
I am going to post about my experience with you on Dave's cafe. I just registered and I will just let people know what has happened. I'm sorry but I cannot trust you.

Please remember there are many canadian certified teachers working years and years in korea I placed who can stand by me. Call the police and see whether you can be charged as slander or not.

As I said I do not have any personal hard feeling about you and I did my best and nothing to hide. I hope you find a good job and have a great time in korea.

Another reply from him right after

Just got an email form the company I mentioned about the public schools in and around seoul and they said they are very interested in you and have more questions. You used F word and what am I supposed to do with this offers. It is so unfortunate. Why you said I was hiding something???? Pleaes call the school and find out. Difficulit understand

(He's playing the typical I don't understand Korean game, let's start over, but instead of saying it like a normal human being he tries to make me believe this is all just a misunderstanding. Keeping in mind this nut just threatened me with cops and lawyers). No respect for teachers. and I still gave him a second chance which was my mistake. I played along.

My reply

If you're not being dishonest than you should have no problem fullfilling your duties as a recruiter. If you place me in a public school in and around Seoul. Then I should have no reason to be suspicious and we could put all of this behind us. Contact me tomorrow and tell me which schools you can place me in.

Thank you

The very next day out of nowhere two back to back e-mails. This is what I received for giving him a second chance.

You better be prepared meet my lawyer. I am taking this as threats and harassments. The school interviewed you and decide not to hire you and you called me fucking lier. I do have the email form the employer notifying the school's decision. I have a lot to prove what you are saying is none sense at all.

You have done enough for me to contact the police. Whatever you want to do do it. Do not contact me anymore. One more contact, I will contact the police for sure. I can also call Korean immigration and can report you about you what has happened. If I need to I will do it formally in written and will follow upon it. I can also call Korean consulate in Toronto. Do not make me upset. Once I decide I am very aggressive. Seems to me you want to play with me. Remember, whatever you say you did not honor your previous contract. You only there (Korea) for one month for two employer based on what you said. You are disturbing peoples with good faith. Stop doing it or I will call the police first.

Even if you called me fuckin L I do not call your name. Be good.

His second:

call them up and find out. I already told you but you do not want to believe. As mentioned, I received the email and I have it. what can someone do for you. you do not believe someone else and you suspect and you call the person fucking lier ? Is that the way you reasoning? Why do you waste someone else's time and haress people?

I guess I replied all your email. as mentioned stop sending me any more email. I will do what I need to do for you.

Good luck.

My back to back reply:

You see this ...? If you do not stick to your word as a recruiter I will post on Dave's Cafe about my experience with you. This is my last e-mail to you. I apologize if I called you a name but you are very aggressive, and you're not treating me with respect. I don't like that. This is your last chance, if you don't I will post about my experience that's it that's all. You can call your lawyer, the police, korea, anybody you want it doesn't matter. Do your job or I will do what I have to.

Thank you

Just got an email form the company I mentioned about the public schools in and around seoul and they said they are very interested in you and have more questions. You used F word and what am I supposed to do with this offers. It is so unfortunate. Why you said I was hiding something???? Pleaes call the school and find out. Difficulit understand.
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Thank you

My second one:

I wasn't going to call the school, I was willing to take your word for it but when you denied to want to help me find a job all because I asked for a person's name of who you spoke to, you became aggressive about it and it made me suspicious.

I gave you another opportunity to find me a school in Seoul and you refused, then I swore at you because I knew at that point you weren't being very honest. I have a better chance of making things work in Korea because I have been there already and I know what to expect. The only reason it didn't work out last time was because I was tricked into a different job then what I had signed up for. Now if you don't think I am going to stay a full year that's up to you but you knew that from the beginning and you already wasted 1 week of my time.

Then you started threatening me with Police and Lawyers, and Blacklists. Well I got news for you it doesn't matter. I will hurt you in the pocket, just like your doing to me. What's good for you is good for me. That's the way it works in this Country. I was wlling to put everything behind me but your still threatening me and you still refuse to fullfill your duty as a recruiter even after you said other schools were interested in me. That leads me to believe that is a lie to.

That's pretty much what was said. I guess it's open to interpretation, but I am glad I shared it with you guys in case anyone was thinking of using his service. I am not out to slander him in anyway. I am simply sharing information to help other teachers have better experiences. Just like they have their means of communication behind our back, we have ours. Sorry I had to come here with this information. I wish I could have made my first post on a more positive note.

Good luck to everyone I decided not to teach anymore in Korea. It just brought back bad memories. Sorry about all the editing, I was trying to post thoughts as I remembered them. I really wish good luck to everyone who at least tries to make teaching in Korea work, but everyone has a limit. I just think mine has been pushed enough. My sanity is more important. I don't ever want to have to turn out like this recruiter. I rather stay professional and keep my dignity. That's something money can't buy.

[ChuckECheese]

The recruiter is a psycho...

[ED209]

Well another nutty recruiter. I'm sure that knock on the door from the police will come any time soon and yeah swearing will get you on a blacklist

What an idiot. Glad to see that mentioning Dave's put the shitter up him.
There are plenty of other recruiters offering jobs for public schools in Seoul. I think Kim n Joe and Footprints have jobs there (although they've had a few negative postings themselves) or go through GEPIK and SMOE. It's shame really cause its still a bit of a gamble trying to find a school that doesn't make you come in when there are no students or a school that's not out in the sticks.

Oh'well best of luck

[shifdog]

What a mentalist

[wylies99]

thanks for the warning.

[Rapacious Mr. Batstove]

A well presented description MrSeoul! I think you handled the situation very well. This guy sounds like an unstable freak and I'm sure your post will prevent some unsuspecting teachers from making a really bad decision!

Kudos to you.

If you haven't got a job yet, I can personally recommend Footprints Recruiting if looking for public schools in Seoul.

[bellum99]

[ChuckECheese]

[Rapacious Mr. Batstove]