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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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 Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: Abstinence students still having sex |
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This is just shocking, shocking. Who would have expected this outcome? Oh, thats right, everyone with a brain in their head (instead of a bible).
And, may I add, another absolute, total, friggn failure on the part of the Bush administration and their "policies".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/
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WASHINGTON - Students who participated in sexual abstinence programs were just as likely to have sex a few years later as those who did not, according to a long-awaited study mandated by Congress.
Also, those who attended one of the four abstinence classes reviewed reported having similar numbers of sexual partners as those who did not attend the classes, and they first had sex at about the same age as their control group counterparts � 14.9 years, according to Mathematica Policy Research Inc.
The federal government now spends about $176 million annually on abstinence-until-marriage education. Critics have repeatedly said they don�t believe the programs are working, and the study will give them reinforcement.
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However, Bush administration officials cautioned against drawing sweeping conclusions from the study. They said the four programs reviewed � among several hundred across the nation � were some of the very first established after Congress overhauled the nation�s welfare laws in 1996.
Officials said one lesson they learned from the study is that the abstinence message should be reinforced in subsequent years to truly affect behavior.
�This report confirms that these interventions are not like vaccines. You can�t expect one dose in middle school, or a small dose, to be protective all throughout the youth�s high school career,� said Harry Wilson, the commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau at the Administration for Children and Families.
For its study, Mathematica looked at students in four abstinence programs around the country as well as students from the same communities who did not participate in the abstinence programs. The 2,057 youths came from big cities � Miami and Milwaukee � as well as rural communities � Powhatan, Va., and Clarksdale, Miss.
The students who participated in abstinence education did so for one to three years. Their average age was 11 to 12 when they entered the programs back in 1999.
Mathematic then did a follow up survey in late 2005 and early 2006. By that time, the average age for participants was about 16.5. Mathematica found that about half of the abstinence students and about half from the control group reported that they remained abstinent.
�I really do think it�s a two-part story. First, there is no evidence that the programs increased the rate of sexual abstinence,� said Chris Trenholm, a senior researcher at Mathematica who oversaw the study. �However, the second part of the story that I think is equally important is that we find no evidence that the programs increased the rate of unprotected sex.�
Trenholm said his second point of emphasis was important because some critics of abstinence programs have contended that they lead to less frequent use of condoms.
Mathematica�s study could have serious implications as Congress considers renewing this summer the block grant program for abstinence education known as Title V. The federal government has authorized up to $50 million annually for the program. Participating states then provide $3 for every $4 they get from the federal government. Eight states decline to take part in the grant program.
Some lawmakers and advocacy groups believe the federal government should use that money for comprehensive sex education, which would include abstinence as a piece of the curriculum.
�Members of Congress need to listen to what the evidence tells us,� said William Smith, vice president for public policy at the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, which promotes comprehensive sex education.
�This report should give a clear signal to members of Congress that the program should be changed to support programs that work, or it should end when it expires at the end of June,� Smith said.
Smith also said he didn�t have trouble making broader generalizations about abstinence programs based on the four reviewed because �this was supposed to be their all-star lineup.�
But a trade association for abstinence educators emphasized that the findings represent less than 1 percent of all Title V abstinence projects across the nation.
�This study began when (the programs) were still in their infancy,� said Valerie Huber, executive director of the National Abstinence Education Association. �The field of abstinence has significantly grown and evolved since that time and the results demonstrated in the Mathematica study are not representative of the abstinence education community as a whole.�
The four programs differed in many respects. One was voluntary and took place after school. Three had mandatory attendance and served youth during the school day. All offered more than 50 hours of classes. Two were particularly intensive. The young people met every day of the school year.
Common topics included human anatomy and sexually transmitted diseases. Also, classes focused on helping students set personal goals and build self-esteem. The young people were taught to improve communication skills and manage peer pressure. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Abstinence students still having sex |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| This is just shocking, shocking. |
Already posted. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, thats right, everyone with a brain in their head (instead of a bible).
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what about the Koran and Hadith?? Aren't on your radar? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Oh, thats right, everyone with a brain in their head (instead of a bible).
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what about the Koran and Hadith?? Aren't on your radar? |
no, man. Those anti-Bush types you mention deal with type of thing, and beauty pageants correctly-especailly in Niger |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if you can post a story about Saudi Arabia pissing away 176 million on abstinence training then I will include the Koran. And BTW everyone on this board knows that I reject all religion, Chariman Mao was right. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Just curious Octavius, but do you think 15 year olds should be having sex?
If you had kids how would you feel? I'm not making a judgement on you by the way, just curious to hear your answers. |
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sportsguy35
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH has just turned my entire world upside down by pointing out that Christians aren't perfect and make mistakes!!!!!! Incredible, where do you get such deep insight? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well, if you can post a story about Saudi Arabia pissing away 176 million on abstinence training then I will include the Koran. And BTW everyone on this board knows that I reject all religion, Chariman Mao was right. |
Well, if Chariman Mao said, you believe it, then that settles it.
And your reply is wrong-it's more your swishy posts that are anything to the right of Jack Layton that is ridiculous.
Funny, in a binary opposition premise, which you put forth and is completely stupid, I would rather have the Bushites waste that money than an ignorant backwards mob killing women suspected of having sex, or being covered head to toe-call me old fashioned that way, swisher. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Endo said:
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Just curious Octavius, but do you think 15 year olds should be having sex?
If you had kids how would you feel? I'm not making a judgement on you by the way, just curious to hear your answers. |
No, I would not want them to be having sex. But, I would be sane and reasonable enough to know that they probably were doing it. So I would want them to be well educated and know how to protect themselves and how to treat others with the proper respect that they deserve.
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| OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH has just turned my entire world upside down by pointing out that Christians aren't perfect and make mistakes!!!!!! Incredible, where do you get such deep insight? |
Spending my time responding to this is probably a waste but do try and listen. I'm not pointing this out about all Christians, merely the ones running the US government these days. They not only act like they are perfect, they think that justifies everything they do. That was my point. Despite the fact that abstinence education is clearly proven not to work, they will continue doing the same thing. Maximum effort, minimal progress.
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| Funny, in a binary opposition premise, which you put forth and is completely stupid, I would rather have the *beep* waste that money than an ignorant backwards mob killing women suspected of having sex, or being covered head to toe-call me old fashioned that way, swisher. |
Are you retarded? What the hell are you talking about? I made the analogy to Saudi Arabia because some wacky said why don't you pick on Muslims. Well the story is not about Muslims, despite your itching need to attack'em, its about this radical Christian administration doing stupid things that don't work and endanger our children's lives. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Itching need to attack them?
Can't read?
Probably
Can't comprehend?
"I reject all religion..."_Octavius Hite
Yes
Another poster brought it up, you also mentioned ALL religion and you're answer failed to address the subject matter correctly-you are a failure.
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT THE USA. A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY! There is nothing about the Koran because we are talking about CHRISTIAN GOVERNMENT POLICIES.
Christ almighty  |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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It is also but your inability to answer a valid comparison, and your tired and transparent biases.
I realise it's that time, but it's no need for you to get hysterical. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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I didn't read the article very carefully. Can someone point where it states that the people in the study were christian? It seemed to be about people who took part in abstinence programs. Not sure why this is being made into some kind of religious thing with referrences to people having a Bible in their heads instead of brains and so on.
In any case, we first see Mr. Hite elated that Korean kids look at porn and now all excited that people who participated in abstience programs had sex. Some people just love to wallow in filth. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I didn't read the article very carefully. Can someone point where it states that the people in the study were christian? It seemed to be about people who took part in abstinence programs. Not sure why this is being made into some kind of religious thing with referrences to people having a Bible in their heads instead of brains and so on.
In any case, we first see Mr. Hite elated that Korean kids look at porn and now all excited that people who participated in abstience programs had sex. Some people just love to wallow in filth. |
The Christian criticism comes not from the fact that I know only Christians practice abstenince, it comes from the fact that the federal funding is a direct result of a Fundamentalist Christian administration and pressure from Evangelical groups. And even when there is evidence that it doesn't work they still say that they are going to do it.
Everyone looks at porn, EVERYONE. I love to wallow in hypocrisy and judging by the time I spend responding to you people, stupidity. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
I didn't read the article very carefully. Can someone point where it states that the people in the study were christian? It seemed to be about people who took part in abstinence programs. Not sure why this is being made into some kind of religious thing with referrences to people having a Bible in their heads instead of brains and so on.
In any case, we first see Mr. Hite elated that Korean kids look at porn and now all excited that people who participated in abstience programs had sex. Some people just love to wallow in filth. |
It's a reasonably safe bet that the abstinence programs are largely supported by Christians. It's pretty much the corner stone of their teen birth control program, no? It's a bit like saying Intelligent Design isn't Christian Creationism. I mean maybe there are one or two people at the Discovery Institute that believes humans were created by space aliens or a non Christian deity, but c'mon.
Given the Bush government supports this form of birth control over condoms, it seems a rather important study. It will be interesting to see what Bush (or I guess congress) does with the data. Given what Bush typically does with data that runs contrary to his political agenda, one can expect him to ignore it.
It reminds me a bit of that definitive prayer study that showed ziltch. Well, duh, I could have told you that. But it's not going to persuade the true believers... |
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