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leebumlik69
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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Cho Seung Hui was more American than Korean at time of death |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, and Hani Hanjour of al-Qaeda was more American than Saudi. And the GIs who ran over the girls had been here so long they were actually Korean. |
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leebumlik69
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| Yes, and Hani Hanjour of al-Qaeda was more American than Saudi. And the GIs who ran over the girls had been here so long they were actually Korean. |
Too easy. The above you mentioned didn't leave when young - not at age 8!!
Leaving a very protective and safe society at the tender age of 8 to be replanted into the most violent developed country in the world is a much more altering process. It's psychologically very damaging. He couldn't have been the same person were he to stay in Korea until age 23. |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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His name
His passport
His DNA markers
His physical appearance
These external features (okay, except for DNA) all say that he was "Korean". (yeah, yeah, "what about Korean Americans!!??")
But what was on the inside? What was he in his own head? How did he define himself?
A Korean permanent resident in America? Was there a plan to one day return to Korea? Or did he plan to remain in America forever and... eventually applying for citizenship... or not. ?
Everyone who knew him and is asked (at this still-early stage) all of them, they only add one more piece to a growing picture-puzzle of an EXTREMELY introverted and friendless young man. One who had seemingly so few ties with the geographic spot on the globe where he ended up.
What were his contact points with America, the place & the people? No friends, no girlfriends, never talks in class, freaking out his professors... Not good.
It's hard to say he was fully Korean, but it's even harder to imagine that he did (or could) see himself as fully American.
(fucking typos!)
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| Yes, and Hani Hanjour of al-Qaeda was more American than Saudi. And the GIs who ran over the girls had been here so long they were actually Korean. |
Too easy. The above you mentioned didn't leave when young - not at age 8!!
Leaving a very protective and safe society at the tender age of 8 to be replanted into the most violent developed country in the world is a much more altering process. It's psychologically very damaging. He couldn't have been the same person were he to stay in Korea until age 23. |
I don't think the shooting would've happened if guns were banned in America and prostitution was as free as it is here. That would solve a lot of problems in America. I'm with you 100% on that. Still, the man was Korean. It's not even a debate. |
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Original
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: Your Posting |
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Well, I rarely get involved in these situations on this site, but I am making an exception here....
Honestly, after the drivel you posted in this thread:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=84645&sid=12366a2c8f437c6e9e286ff56ffd2664
I honestly don't know how you can continue posting on this site, even if your post this time actually has merit.
I am a long time lurker, shorter term member of this site, and not a huge contributor honestly, but the fact that the mods of this site are doing such a pathetic job is shameful. By shameful I mean taking down much tamer threads about this subject, but allowing your previously started thread from a likely drunken soju stupor to survive.
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Cho Seung Hui was more American than Korean at time of d |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
Discuss.
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On the juice again?
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| Yes, and Hani Hanjour of al-Qaeda was more American than Saudi. And the GIs who ran over the girls had been here so long they were actually Korean. |
Too easy. The above you mentioned didn't leave when young - not at age 8!!
Leaving a very protective and safe society at the tender age of 8 to be replanted into the most violent developed country in the world is a much more altering process. It's psychologically very damaging. He couldn't have been the same person were he to stay in Korea until age 23. |
Your comment is like someone expecting an A simply for studying or passing time. It doesn't mean if you have lived mostly in Canada or Australia for the majority of your life that you are culturally mostly Canadian, Australian, or American. An Australian is being extradited for committing war crimes against Croatianss and leading Serbian commandos. He was born in Serbia and came to Australia when he was 12. He was born in 1952. He joined the war in the Balkans in 1991.
Let's do the math. He lived in Australia from age 12 to 39 or 27 years. He later returned to Australia after the war was over. So you can live in Australia or America or Canada and not feel connected to the country.
I have a Korean-American friend who only wants to marry Korean girls.
However, he is more integrated than Cho ever was. He hangs out with whites, blacks, mexicans whatever... This Cho fellow never connected with Americans. We don't know, however, how connected he was to Koreans. We just know he didn't connect with people in America and attacked the culture, Christianity (his own religion), and rich kids.
Supposedly, this crazy guy had a tatoo on his arm in red that said "Ismail Ax".
I am no way connecting him culturally with either Americans or Koreans.
From what we can see, he connects to no one and didn't seem to connect with his family and Korean Americans didn't know who he was.
This has nothing to do with Korea. He was just a crazy dude who killed a bunch of people and happened to have a Korean passport. |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
| Leaving a very protective and safe society at the tender age of 8 to be replanted into the most violent developed country in the world is a much more altering process. It's psychologically very damaging. He couldn't have been the same person were he to stay in Korea until age 23. |
Describing him as you do, I have to think there must be millions of potential Cho Seung-hui's in this world. They're not all from Korea, and thank God, no more than a statistical aberration will ever acquire two handguns to massacre their fellow students with. It comes down to something deeper than nationality or race. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Cho Seung Hui was more American than Korean at time of d |
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Is this keeping you up late at night or something?
What if he were Korean and never lived in America until he started studying at Virginia Tech, got some guns, and then performed the same act a few months later?
What's it got to do with Korea? Or America? Or you? Nothing.
Get a grip. |
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stevemcgarrett
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leebumlik:
Now, let's reverse matters. Suppose some GI settles down in Korea with his Korean bride (oh, horrors) and pays into the government pension for 15 years. But then one day his wife leaves him for a Yakuza punk while on a business trip to Nagasaki. So he purchases an illegal handgun, got drunk on soju (a crime in itself) upon his return to Korea and pumps lead into 32 people at a Lotte department store.
Would you claim he'd learned Korean customs of rage? Or would you say that his eternal status as a second class citizen (a reality) would negate such a notion and therefore insist he was still American?
Now mull that over when you're not sniffing that glue of yours. |
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Poktanju
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