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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Possible Korean response...make Blacksburg a sister city |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
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The hypocrisy continues. He WAS American at his time of death. He certainly acted like one. |
Wow...what a venemous and dumb thing to say.
After all, wasn't Woo Bum-Kon the biggest spree killer in modern history in 1982 (57 dead in a few hours)? |
Why? He lived almost two thirds of his life in America. Do you really believe he would in any way resemble the same man who lived all 23 years in Korea.
come on.. |
He was a Korean national.
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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leebumsik, Diver you both need to learn.
Until you get your AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, you are a GUEST. Nothing more.
You are in the US as long as the US government will allow.
you arent just "american" after so long. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard yet.
So some of these foreigners whove been living in korea for 10-20 years, and speak fluent Korean, are they korean now, even though they like only have an F visa? of course not! youd say that was ridiculous, so, what makes you think the US is different.
Once you get your citizenship, your an official bonfied American. |
As one poster said, you may get the citizenship, you may live in your adopted country for years, but as long as you speak in your native language and think like back home you can't really qualify yourself to be 100% American/Australia/whatever. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
leebumsik, Diver you both need to learn.
Until you get your AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, you are a GUEST. Nothing more.
You are in the US as long as the US government will allow.
you arent just "american" after so long. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard yet.
So some of these foreigners whove been living in korea for 10-20 years, and speak fluent Korean, are they korean now, even though they like only have an F visa? of course not! youd say that was ridiculous, so, what makes you think the US is different.
Once you get your citizenship, your an official bonfied American. |
What % of Canadians, Australians, and Kiwis have UK passports? 10%? Does that make them British? The small % who grew up there may be, but not everyone else. Is Owen Hargraves British? He's also eligible for a German passport, and were he to get one, would he be German?
Cho was a permanent resident. The words permanent and guest are rather antithetical, aren't they? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
leebumsik, Diver you both need to learn.
Until you get your AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, you are a GUEST. Nothing more.
You are in the US as long as the US government will allow.
you arent just "american" after so long. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard yet.
So some of these foreigners whove been living in korea for 10-20 years, and speak fluent Korean, are they korean now, even though they like only have an F visa? of course not! youd say that was ridiculous, so, what makes you think the US is different.
Once you get your citizenship, your an official bonfied American. |
My point was less about the amount of time one spends in a country than the avenues available to become a landed immigrant, permanent resident or citizen. There are many options available in Canada and the US to Koreans that go there, but Korea does not feel the need to reciprocate. You can either marry a Korean or take the national soccer squad to the final four in the World Cup are the only two that I know of.
Further, as I work here, and pay taxes, contribute to the national health insurance and pension plans, and can even vote in municipal elections, I am not a guest. A tourist is a guest. I am not. I will not be sitting on the beach or going shopping today. I'll be going to work. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
leebumsik, Diver you both need to learn.
Until you get your AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, you are a GUEST. Nothing more.
You are in the US as long as the US government will allow.
you arent just "american" after so long. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard yet.
So some of these foreigners whove been living in korea for 10-20 years, and speak fluent Korean, are they korean now, even though they like only have an F visa? of course not! youd say that was ridiculous, so, what makes you think the US is different.
Once you get your citizenship, your an official bonfied American. |
My point was less about the amount of time one spends in a country than the avenues available to become a landed immigrant, permanent resident or citizen. There are many options available in Canada and the US to Koreans that go there, but Korea does not feel the need to reciprocate. You can either marry a Korean or take the national soccer squad to the final four in the World Cup are the only two that I know of.
Further, as I work here, and pay taxes, contribute to the national health insurance and pension plans, and can even vote in municipal elections, I am not a guest. A tourist is a guest. I am not. I will not be sitting on the beach or going shopping today. I'll be going to work. |
Ok whats the soccer squad thing in reference too, Im not familiar with that.
As far as Korea reciprocating, Ive read articles online before about foreigners doing such in the ROK. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
leebumsik, Diver you both need to learn.
Until you get your AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, you are a GUEST. Nothing more.
You are in the US as long as the US government will allow.
you arent just "american" after so long. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard yet.
So some of these foreigners whove been living in korea for 10-20 years, and speak fluent Korean, are they korean now, even though they like only have an F visa? of course not! youd say that was ridiculous, so, what makes you think the US is different.
Once you get your citizenship, your an official bonfied American. |
My point was less about the amount of time one spends in a country than the avenues available to become a landed immigrant, permanent resident or citizen. There are many options available in Canada and the US to Koreans that go there, but Korea does not feel the need to reciprocate. You can either marry a Korean or take the national soccer squad to the final four in the World Cup are the only two that I know of.
Further, as I work here, and pay taxes, contribute to the national health insurance and pension plans, and can even vote in municipal elections, I am not a guest. A tourist is a guest. I am not. I will not be sitting on the beach or going shopping today. I'll be going to work. |
Ok whats the soccer squad thing in reference too, Im not familiar with that.
As far as Korea reciprocating, Ive read articles online before about foreigners doing such in the ROK. |
The soccer reference was made to refer to something that really questions idendity. Owen Hargraves was born and raised in Calgary and moved to Munich when he was 17. He's also an 'English International' soccer star, and has been capped numerous times by England. At one point he was eligible to play for four national teams: Canada, England, Wales, and Germany, through his birthplace, the birthplaces of his parents, and his place of premanent residency. But what is he really? He's a Canadian living in Germany. If he moves to England to play for ManU perhaps he can start calling himself English after ten years but for now no one in England would. The fact that he has all the right paperwork doesn't make him English except on, well, paper. While Cho may have shown a few Korean influences there's little doubt that he's far, far more the product of America than Korea. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Integration should be based on tangible actions. While Cho did demonstrate a fine grasp of the English language, he was dubbed a loner and stalked women. He may be American or Korean or Korean-American, but he wasn't much of a citizen of the VT community. That's the real point. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Integration should be based on tangible actions. While Cho did demonstrate a fine grasp of the English language, he was dubbed a loner and stalked women. He may be American or Korean or Korean-American, but he wasn't much of a citizen of the VT community. That's the real point. |
But if his family had taken on American citizenship when he was 13 and if he were an American national would he have turned out any differently? I very strongly doubt it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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| Integration should be based on tangible actions. While Cho did demonstrate a fine grasp of the English language, he was dubbed a loner and stalked women. He may be American or Korean or Korean-American, but he wasn't much of a citizen of the VT community. That's the real point. |
But if his family had taken on American citizenship when he was 13 and if he were an American national would he have turned out any differently? I very strongly doubt it. |
No, its doubtful it would have. The correct papers don't ward off alienation, particularly given the kind of mental problems Cho displayed. Nationaly doesn't play much of a role here. |
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