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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: Horrible ilsamophopibc hate crime in Maine |
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My oh my. This is extremely intolerant.
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LEWISTON, Maine --Police are investigating as a possible hate crime an incident in which a ham steak was placed in a bag on a lunch table where a group of Somali students were sitting.
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Such an incident would be offensive to Somalis, who are Muslims and consider pork unclean.
A Lewiston Middle School student was suspended after the incident, which happened April 11.
Superintendent Leon Levesque said the incident is being treated seriously and police are investigating. The center for the Prevention of Hate Violence is working with the school to devise a response plan. |
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/19/police_investigate_ham_incident_at_school/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news
Dhimnitude is gonna be fun! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Oh no a ham steak!!!! Run for your lives Somali students!!!!!
How exactly is someone going to be prosecuted for this? Assault with a deadly ham? PC paranoia out of control.
everytime smething offensive happens, is that going to include police action? Or only in the case of somalis and muslims? |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Such monstrous acts of hate violence must not go unpunished!  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| What's next? Banning of pork from the cafeteria because some Somalis might be offended? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| What's next? Banning of pork from the cafeteria because some Somalis might be offended? |
Yes. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I just despise people like this clown.
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Placing ham where Muslim students were eating was �an awful thing,� said Stephen Wessler, executive director of the Center for Prevention of Hate Violence. �It�s extraordinarily hurtful and degrading� to Muslims, whose religion prohibits them from being around ham. It�s important to respond swiftly, Wessler said.
�Incidents like this that involve degrading language or conduct are often said by the perpetrator as a joke. I know that conduct is never static,� he said. �It�s part of a process of escalation.�
If people think insulting Muslims with ham is OK, �More degrading acts will follow, until at some point we�ll end up having violence,� Wessler said. |
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/
I hope the little babies have a good cry to their imam. Such sensitive little flowers. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, while I don't think kosher type lunches or halal lunches aren't acceptable unless the majority of the students are either Jewish or Muslim like in the case of some neighbourhoods in New York or for the Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan where the white kids are the minority. If they are only a minority, then they should bring their own lunches. As far as this story, that is quite hateful to put a ham sandwich on someone's table. It would also be offensive to put a meat sandwich in a Buddhist or Hindu vegetarian's locker to spite him or her. I think you are kind of being the opposite of PC i.e. downplaying the harassment of those kids in the article. Is that fair? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| As far as this story, that is quite hateful to put a ham sandwich on someone's table. It would also be offensive to put a meat sandwich in a Buddhist or Hindu vegetarian's locker to spite him or her. I think you are kind of being the opposite of PC i.e. downplaying the harassment of those kids in the article. Is that fair? |
Don't be such a sissy. George Carlin is right, the North American male is a p u s s y.
At worst, this was a middle school prank. The boys should have been told to "walk it off" grow up and stop being so damn sensitive.
In addition, pork is only "offensive" if you accept their stupid beliefs as being worthy of respect. I don't. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| As far as this story, that is quite hateful to put a ham sandwich on someone's table. It would also be offensive to put a meat sandwich in a Buddhist or Hindu vegetarian's locker to spite him or her. I think you are kind of being the opposite of PC i.e. downplaying the harassment of those kids in the article. Is that fair? |
Don't be such a sissy. George Carlin is right, the North American male is a p u s s y.
At worst, this was a middle school prank. The boys should have been told to "walk it off" grow up and stop being so damn sensitive.
In addition, pork is only "offensive" if you accept their stupid beliefs as being worthy of respect. I don't. |
Isn't that kind of fascist? People have beliefs. That is life. You are imposing yours on theirs and then accuse them of being intolerant.
Isn't that kind of contradictory, man? With all due respect, if you think it is okay to ignore their beliefs, why can't they ignore yours. Then why are yours important. There has to be some kind of middle ground.
How different is that than saying to some Chinese or Korean American "Hey chink and gook your languages sound funny". A belief that one group is inferior, in their minds, justify those pranks. You would object being demeaned and so would they, I would imagine. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| isn't that kind of fascist?. |
No. It is fascist for this to be a hate crime.
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You are imposing your (beliefs) on theirs and then accuse them of being intolerant. |
Actually, this being a "hate crime" is them imposing their culinary hang-ups on us.
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if you think it is okay to ignore their beliefs, why can't they ignore yours.
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They can, within reason. Criminalizing criticism or the lampooning of their absurd ideas is not acceptable. They are free to ignore me as much as they want. They are not free to change our society to fit their religious laws.
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How different is that than saying to some Chinese or Korean American "Hey chink and gook your languages sound funny". |
Because pork is a food. Chink is a racial slur. I wouldn't consider a Korean putting dog on my table racist. But, I guess everything is racist these days.
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A belief that one group is inferior, in their minds, justify those pranks. You would object being demeaned and so would they, I would imagine. |
They are human and in every way equal under the law to me or you. Their beliefs are inferior to the Western liberal tradition. Full stop. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I just despise people like this clown.
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Placing ham where Muslim students were eating was �an awful thing,� said Stephen Wessler, executive director of the Center for Prevention of Hate Violence. �It�s extraordinarily hurtful and degrading� to Muslims, whose religion prohibits them from being around ham. It�s important to respond swiftly, Wessler said.
�Incidents like this that involve degrading language or conduct are often said by the perpetrator as a joke. I know that conduct is never static,� he said. �It�s part of a process of escalation.�
If people think insulting Muslims with ham is OK, �More degrading acts will follow, until at some point we�ll end up having violence,� Wessler said. |
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/
I hope the little babies have a good cry to their imam. Such sensitive little flowers. |
Hold on there cowboy, the guy is 100% right. There will be violence. But its going to be the Islamists doing it. Im waiting for one of them to blow himself up. Hail Allah! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you may think following kosher or halal or whatever rules are silly. However, people do accomodate that to some extent. On planes, the food is kosher. Much of what is eaten in America is labeled kosher and blessed by a rabbi. Now some Muslims get upset and say money is going to rabbis for that and it seems sinister to them. However, kosher food is something they could eat, too, and if their imams blessed and slaughtered animals they would want money for that. You may think their beliefs are silly just like someone getting upset that chocolate is wasted to make a chocolate Jesus. Giuliani got upset with that.
I don't really see a difference between putting a ham sandwich on purpose on someone's beliefs forbids them from eating it. If you are doing it then it is the same as saying "Hey you dumb Mooslim here is a ham sandwich for you.". If you think that is cool, I am not sure what to say.
I will bet you the kids who taunted Cho who later killed so many people thought it was no big deal to say "Go back to China". I am not blaming them for what he did. He was responsible for that, but sometimes wars are started over simple things and slights that people might consider insignificant. What people think does actually matter even if you think they are silly. That's life. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Isn't that kind of fascist? People have beliefs. |
well, goly gee. You don't say. People have beliefs?
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| That is life. You are imposing yours on theirs and then accuse them of being intolerant. |
Actually, the imposition is goinf the other way. Now the law will be imposing itself on somebody for putting a HAM SANDWICH on a table. Who is imposing on whom?
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| Isn't that kind of contradictory, man? With all due respect, if you think it is okay to ignore their beliefs, why can't they ignore yours. |
They are free to ignore my beliefs, which include ham sandwiches. Again, who cried to the police and whose beliefs are going to be imposed on whom? I.e. WHO IS GOING TO BE CHARGED FOR ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY HAM?
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| Then why are yours important. There has to be some kind of middle ground. |
Ours are important because ours are about freedom, man. Their beliefs are about taking freedom away. THATS why ours are important and theirs are a goddamn joke. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Labeling it a hate crime was probably excessive, as it was merely a case of bullying. But should bullys go unpunished?
What about a pig's head being rolled into the mosque? Is that merely a prank?
Furthermore, hate crimes weren't written for the sake of Muslims. If you're going to be incensed by hate crime laws, why don't you direct your fury at the groups who were responsible for their passage? I'm sure we could find numerous examples where they've been applied halphazardly to other religions and races, but I don't see people getting worked into a frother about that. As stevie0 would ask, what's with the double standard? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
Labeling it a hate crime was probably excessive, as it was merely a case of bullying. But should bullys go unpunished?
What about a pig's head being rolled into the mosque? Is that merely a prank?
Furthermore, hate crimes weren't written for the sake of Muslims. If you're going to be incensed by hate crime laws, why don't you direct your fury at the groups who were responsible for their passage? I'm sure we could find numerous examples where they've been applied halphazardly to other religions and races, but I don't see people getting worked into a frother about that. As stevie0 would ask, what's with the double standard? |
Well, it is true they are kids, but they should face disciplinary action. It is still prejudice even if you think some Hindu refusing to eat beef is dumb and put a big old hamburger in front of him and if you think that is okay well that in you are a bully and deserve to get your arse kicked or don't be surprised if you end up in a fight because you ticked the guy for being racist or prejudiced. I would feel the same way if someone put why everyone should be an atheist in a Christian's locker in order to purposely offend him. I am not saying some hate crime police. That would be a bit extreme. Though it is a hateful action.
There is no such thing as absolute liberty or freedom for Muslims, atheists or Christians in America or Canada. That doesn't exist. There are various social contracts. I believe John Stuart Mill spoke of liberty and freedom so long it doesn't iminge on that of another. If you harass someone because of their skin colour, religious background you are engaging in religious harassment even if you think it is funny. You are taking away his liberty in a way of being able to be of his religious affiliation without harassment. It violates the spirit upon which our countries were founded. As much as I think Jehovah's Witneses have a nutty religion, I won't harass one unless he bugged the hell out me by preaching to me. That would be self-defence.
What would happen if a fellow who followed Halal or Kosher laws had seen you put pork in his food bowl at work. You would get fired very quickly? Why? It is harassment at the work place. These kids were harassed. You don't care because they're Muslims. |
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