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thepeel
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Well, I look forward to you explaining to me:
1) What you are 'right' about, in the context of this absurd discussion
2) In what sense you use the word realist to describe yourself, in the context of posting the writings of a neo-nazi
3) How Hitler was a genius. Be sure to cite very specific examples. Demonstrate, with evidence, that he fits the standard criteria of a genius, meaning, an extremely high intellectual ability. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Unite Against America (UAA) |
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| But now, who is ready to defend the freedom of those in Afghanistan? |
Let me guess, the British and Greek invaders.  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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A professor from Northeastern University who I used to hang out with gave me a book written by a psychologist that was a historical psycho-analysis of Hitler. The author made a very convincing argument that Hitler was born with only one testicle.
Also that Hitler had Jewish blood in his family line, which resulted in his own self-disgust and hatred towards those of that persuasion.
If those assertions sound bizarre, I must say the book was well-researched and did not take any leaps of supposition other than during the final analysis, which again was very persuasive.
I agree with Demi only to the extent that Hitler had talents. Mostly in the area of fiery oratory during an era when Germany was open to listening to his BS. Other than that, I suspect he was a one-balled angry mouthy puke who got "lucky". |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| 3) How Hitler was a genius. Be sure to cite very specific examples. Demonstrate, with evidence, that he fits the standard criteria of a genius, meaning, an extremely high intellectual ability. |
Although I know I could teach you a few things about life, I'm not your teacher. Educate yourself. There'd be numerous peeps on here probably willing to explain to your simple self about Hitler's genius. Not me however.
I believe your fully aware of how much Americans are disliked, but in denial. Acceptance will aid your spiritual growth. Your ppl accepted Bush's acts and endorsed them by voting him again. That fact is a major reason why so many millions of others like me don't like your lot.
This convo. is pointless. You're American (or u really love America) and your mind is closed to any negative opinions/truths about the matter. What a surprise. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| I'm American. Are you saying I am ignorant and closed minded? |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| suspect he was a one-balled angry mouthy puke who got "lucky |
Yes that's it....yes, it was luck. He got lucky to get a whole Nation behind him. You're stupid. I don't believe you went to university. You must be a high school drop out. Probably a soldier. Don't post here again. Please |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Right back at you. What is your malfunction? When you wake up sober (maybe), read this thread again.
Over and out. I would tell you to read a book, but I doubt you would be able to focus on the typeset at this point. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Unite Against America (UAA) |
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I had to do it......damn America to hell.....
"Once upon a time, Americans used to preach the cause of freedom and justice for all. It's actually written in their Pledge of Allegiance. But they don't adhere to that anymore. After all, Americans have canceled their Bill of Rights, which once made them famous - made them loved! - all over the world. Now they are feared all over the world. Reviled. When Americans launched their worldwide war on terror - based on a treasonous event in which they killed large numbers of their own people - they betrayed the whole world. They betrayed every dream of freedom anybody ever had anywhere.
The people who did it did it for a few billion dollars. Can you blame them? It's easy money blowing up countries and blaming it on somebody else. Even you might do it if you had the chance. Americans support such an idea. It's capitalism at its best, controlling the market, make money on the destruction by selling the weapons, make money on the reconstruction by involving your friends in the contracts, no public bids, of course. So you lose a few dark-skinned lives. The world is overpopulated anyway. Look at it as population control (although that it another, much larger topic).
Things have become so ugly in the United States that the liberal opposition candidate for president tells peace activists to "Get over it!" That there will be no peace no matter who is president. That America is united to overrun and ravish the whole world, simply because there is no one to stop it. This is the America that was venerated and admired all over the world. This is what America became when there was no other power to keep it honest. It became dishonest - and a killer nation.
People overseas make a mistake when the say they have nothing against the American people, that it is simply the American government they loathe and fear. It is the American people who have permitted this to happen, and they who bear the blame and will reap the whirlwind for their inaction.
Once, America set an example for the world to establish representative government and take care of its less fortunate. Today, America is still setting an example for the world, an example that democracy is a hoax, and that all we can expect for our children's futures is a dark abyss of endless war based on phony pretenses.
The thing that made the episodes with Nazi Germany and Soviet Union have happy endings was that there was somebody to fight for freedom ready to rescue those oppressed by military tyranny from a foreign power.
But now, who is ready to defend the freedom of those in Afghanistan, or in Iraq, or in Macedonia, Serbia, the Philippines, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Nicaragua, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Guatemala ... or Palestine?
Who is ready to defend freedom now that the Americans have declared freedom incompatible with security?
But these things tend to even out over time. Rome wasn't built in a day and it took centuries to fall apart, but eventually it was picked apart by jackals and sycophantic traitors from within.
The world will yet have the last laugh on America, after its own leaders have finished picking the bones of its financially depleted carcass.
Because Americans have given up defending true freedom around the world, the day will soon arrive (sooner than they think) when they will have to defend their own freedom against the very monster they have created by their own selfish indifference. The corporate beast that consumes freedom around the world will one day soon turn its gaping jaws on America itself, and the Americans, who have decided to forget how to defend true freedom around the world, will necessarily have forgotten how to defend their own.
Once upon a time, when I was a little shaver and the president was some guy named Ike, I was told that America was the greatest nation in the world because it was a champion of freedom and justice, and rescued the oppressed whenever people were in trouble.
So ... were they lying then and telling the truth now, or telling the truth then and lying now?
And when the rest of the world comes calling to rectify this murderous tyranny and worldwide oppression that America now practices, what will you say to them when they aim their guns at you? That you didn't know?"
John Kaminski |
All the liberals need to shut up. You act as if this is Americas worst hour gloom and doom, yet weve seen worse. Such as during world war II when civil rights REALLY were limited, such as by the sedition act, japanese interment, etc etc, rights violations far worse then today, yet America came through those times strongly. Like I said in my earlier posts, alot of people are losing the ability to stomach war and thats dangerous.
This is a war we must win. This isnt vietnam where we leave and lose our pride a bit and later everythings all good.
The enemy we fight today, if we lose, will attack us again, on our shors or abroad. This enemy doesnt care if its children, women, civilians, etc.
Unlike the North vietnamese, these people will continue to fight. |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| I guess George Galloway is a 'looney toon' to you too right? Anyone who says something remotely negative about your country (even if its true) is automatically written off right? |
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=2167542005
"But as American weapons inspectors scoured liberated Iraq seeking incriminating documents, they found evidence to corroborate the theme: Saddam had been offering vouchers entitling people to buy oil at a low price.
A list of such people was published by al-Mada, an Iraqi newspaper, in January 2004: Galloway was on it. Nine months later, the Iraq Survey Group also named Galloway on a list of fraud beneficiaries whose details were kept meticulously, as is the Iraqi way. Last Tuesday, the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Committee released a 62-page document in which it declared Galloway had lied under oath when giving evidence last May. Then, he had staged a theatrical coup, denouncing the committee on live television, then trailing America on a book-selling tour where he was hailed as the man who cleaned the clock of Norm Coleman (chairman of the committee).
Senator Coleman has had his retaliation. With forensic skill, his committee has unearthed bank statements showing how and when money was wired from Iraqi oil firms to the personal account of Dr Amineh Abu Zayyad, Galloway's wife. His team has paid a visit to Tariq Aziz, former deputy prime minister of Iraq, who confirmed the authenticity of the original Iraqi intelligence document discovered by the Daily Telegraph; he said Galloway had, indeed, solicited money. As if a stone had been left unturned by Coleman, Volcker's report quoted an oil trader who had personally spoken to Galloway about selling oil allocations from Saddam. For good measure, Volcker found a new $130,000 payment to his wife."
Some disputable quotes:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Galloway#Speech_in_Iraq_in_1994
"In a speech to Saddam Hussein in 1994: (Note: it is unclear whether this transcript is fully accurate; no reliable source has been found yet.)
UPDATE: Possible good source: The Times of London, January 20, 1994. The headline may have been "I greet you in the name of thousands of Britons." The Times' source may have been a transcript of a broadcast on Baghdad radio, recorded by the BBC monitoring service. It is said Galloway spoke in English, followed by a translation into Arabic.
This source can not as yet be linked to.
"Your Excellency, Mr President: I greet you, in the name of the many thousands of people in Britain who stood against the tide and opposed the war and aggression against Iraq and continue to oppose the war by economic means, which is aimed to strangle the life out of the great people of Iraq."
"I greet you, too, in the name of the Palestinian people, amongst whom I've just spent two weeks in the occupied Palestinian territories. I can honestly tell you that there was not a single person to whom I told I was coming to Iraq and hoping to meet with yourself who did not wish me to convey their heartfelt, fraternal greetings and support."
"And this was true, especially at the base in the refugee camps of Jabaliyah and Beach Camp in Gaza, in the Balatah refugee camp in Nablus and on the streets of the towns and villages in the occupied lands."
"I thought the president would appreciate knowing that even today, three years after the war, I still met families who were calling their newborn sons Saddam; and that two weeks ago, when I was trapped inside the Orient House, which is the Palestinian headquarters in al-Quds [Jerusalem], with 5,000 armed mustwatinin [settlers] outside demonstrating, pledging to tear down the Palestinian flag from the flagpole, the hundreds of shabab [youths] inside the compound were chanting that they wish to be with a DSh K [machine gun] in Baghdad to avenge the eyes of Abu Jihad [late Palestinian leader Khalil al-Wazir who was killed in Tunisia]. And the Youth Club in Silwan, which is the one of the most resistant of all the villages around Jerusalem, asked me to ask the president's permission if they could enrol him as an honourary member of their club and to present him with this flag from holy Jerusalem."
"I wish to say, sir, that I believe that we are turning the tide in Europe, that the scale of the humanitarian disaster which has been imposed upon the Iraqi people is now becoming more and more widely known and accepted."
"Fifty-five British members of parliament opposed the war, but 125 are demanding the lifting of the embargo."
"And this does not include the invisible section of the Conservative Party who must also be moving in that direction. And Sir Edward Heath is being a very persuasive advocate inside the Conservative Party."
"It is my belief that we must convey the very clear picture that 1994 has to be the year of the ending of the embargo against Iraq. Otherwise, famine and all the awful consequences, including acts of despair by Iraqis, will be the result. And this is the message we must convey to civilized opinion in Europe."
"Sir: I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability. And I want you to know that we are with you, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-Quds [until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem]."[citation needed][1]"
Please don't defend Galloway by comparing him to anyone else. What he has done is digusting. He's not the only one who's done horrible things, but pointing out someone else's awful acts (i.e. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc) is no defense of Galloway. If you want to put him in the same class of cheap liars and frauds as Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, please do. That's exactly where he belongs. Well, there or on Big Brother with Dennis Rodman (at least Rodman could rebound and play some defense. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4587448.stm). |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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See for yourself what Galloway has said.
http://www.google.co.kr/search?hl=ko&q=These+poor+Iraqis+-+ragged+people%2C+with+their+sandals%2C+with+their+Kalashnikovs%2C+with+the+lightest+and+most+basic+of+weapons+-+are+writing+the+names+of+their+cities+and+towns+in+the+stars%2C+with+145+military+operations+every+day%2C+which+has+made+the+country+ungovernable.+&btnG=Google+%EA%B2%80%EC%83%89&lr=
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Galloway (on Al-Jazeera TV, July 31, 2005): This started out as a wish to terrorize the world with American power, or as Sharon would say: "Terrrrrrorize" the world with American power. But in fact it ended demonstrating the exact opposite. They can control the skies, but only if they don't come within range of an RPG, but they can't control one single street in any part of occupied Iraq. Not one street. Not one street anywhere. These poor Iraqis - ragged people, with their sandals, with their Kalashnikovs, with the lightest and most basic of weapons - are writing the names of their cities and towns in the stars, with 145 military operations every day, which has made the country ungovernable by the people who occupy it. We don't know who they are, we don't know their names, we never saw their faces, they don't put up photographs of their martyrs, we don't know the names of their leaders. I'm sure, for all the times I spent in Iraq, that I never met any of them before. They are not the comfortable in the former regime, they are not the leaders, with maybe one exception: Izzat Ibrahim Al-Durri. They are the base of this society. They are the young men and the young women who decided, whatever their feelings about the former regime - some are with, some are against. But they decided, when the foreign invaders came, to defend their country, to defend their honor, to defend their families, their religion, their way of life from a military superpower, which landed amongst them. And they are winning the war. America is losing the war in Iraq, and even the Americans now admit it. Even the puppet ministers and regime in Baghdad know it. The former puppet minister (Iyad) Allawi admitted it three times in the last month. America is losing the war in Iraq. And this will not change. The resistance is getting stronger every day, and the will to remain as an occupier by Britain and America is getting weaker everyday. Therefore, it can be said, truly said, that the Iraqi resistance is not just defending Iraq. They are defending all the Arabs, and they are defending all the people of the world from American hegemony.
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http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=788
here is more on Galloway
http://hitchensweb.com/GallowayLeafletFINAL.pdf |
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miles123
Joined: 19 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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LOL. holly cow!!
Please give us a break Demi. We'll try to do better. You're such a master of world affairs. I can't believe how much more you know about being American than the actual Americans themselves do. Wow impressive.
btw... about GB...I think since I am otherwise uninformed....I think I'll abstain from comment on their politics, perhaps you would do us the same favor? OR...just relax a little bit and try not to be so over the top. I'd be much more likely to listen to your points if you didn't come across so harsh. Try inspiring me with the elegance and even temperance I know you are capable of and you will find me with open ears and an open mind and "sans" the sarcasm.
Thanks for the refresher though. It is worth an occassional look at one's own house by standing across the street. I admire you for that.
I will post no more on the topic if it is to remain as nasty as it started as I just needed catharsis.
Take care. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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Normally, demi, I wouldn't bother with you. You're a simple troll like Meegook, Svetlana, WorldWide, and others who have come on here preaching the evils of the United States and a little too bothered by the fact that you don't have hundreds of people agreeing with you.
I'm tempted, by your anti-semitic banter, to believe that you are a sock of Meegook. But, then again, I would hate to put the idiocy you consistently demonstrate on anyone. You're angry that the British Greeks of the world lost their standing as the most powerful people at the baklava stands around Piccadilly. You only wish that you had the power that the most idiotic and ignorant person in the United States has. You're disgusted that Koreans come up to you and ask you if you're American, which only makes you reflect more on your own insignificance. You see GI's taking home girls that you, being a dickhead, a dork, or ugly, could never get. Maybe one of them was Jewish, so now you hate Jews, as well. I don't know.
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| I love it! I know your type. Really bitter that your not somebody with a more stimulating and intellectually challenging job hey? Well, don't take out your failures to achieve on me my friend. Especially if your an English teacher. |
When I first read this, demi, I could feel the self loathing going through your head. This is called projecting. See, you're projecting your own feelings of inadequacy onto someone else because you know how bad they make you feel and you hope that they will make the other person feel the same way.
What you fail to realize is that most people don't feel like that. The only people that do feel that way are the ones with real self-esteem, emotional, and adjustment problems like yourself. You constantly look for others to blame for your own shortcomings. You're a sad individual. I pity you.
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| whoops...i mean you're. it's late:) |
See, you must, clearly, be less intelligent than most on this board. For instance, you lack grammar skills, the ability to argue, and the ability to use the "edit" function.
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You misunderstood. I wasn't trying to deny i'm an English teacher. It's not my career though. 1 yr stop for me.
I don't need to bring anything to you. You know the truth about your country! (if u r american)
What u doing in Korea? Koreans don't even like u lot |
While I appreciate your linguistic ability, I fail to see how making yourself look like a 14 year-old girl can assist you in winning this debate. Seriously, who writes like you? I might even see ddeubel chide you over your lack of grammar skills, and that would be scathing.
See, your complete lack of adult thought here shows that you are clearly not mature enough to have your opinion matter. I actually doubt that you are British, but hey, Brits aren't known for their genius. Maybe you are British. Maybe you're the stereotypical, idiotic Brit that everyone keeps talking about.
You say things like...
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| I guess George Galloway is a 'looney toon' to you too right? Anyone who says something remotely negative about your country (even if its true) is automatically written off right? |
No, a politician that goes on a month-long game show in order to gain popularity is automatically written off. However, being that you have a low IQ and threshold for higher thought, I figure we can let this one slide because you probably only like Galloway because he was on that month-long game show. I would say you appreciate his stance on issues, but he doesn't have any, and you probably wouldn't understand them if he did.
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| I'm embraced on this site |
As evidenced by the overwhelming support you have received on this issue.
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The truth seems to hurt you my friend. It's not your fault. Hitler was a genius who fooled a whole Nation. Bush is an idiot who fooled his. It takes a genius to fool clever people but only an idiot to fool your fellow small minded ignorant individuals (about two-thirds of Americans).
Goodnight. Have to sleep. Speak 2mo. |
While I'm not sure, since I fail to speak the language of "Moronia," what "Speak 2mo." means, I feel I must point out a few things to you. I'll try to use pictures so that you can understand. After all, we all know that Brits can be a little stupid and easily fooled as a nation. Here it goes...
was not the only country fooled by
was also fooled. In fact...
was fooled by
and
easliy convinced
to attack
Here's a recap.
and
were just as easily fooled by
as
I hope that clears it up for you. In fact, I think the fact that our leader fooled your leader is a little funny. I also think the fact that your leader was our leader's bitch is a little funny.
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| How am I racist? |
| demi wrote: |
| hitler was a genius. |
| demi wrote: |
| How am I racist? |
| demi wrote: |
| You know our type? That's cause we're realists! I love being right. I don't have time or the patience to educate you but hitler was a genius. |
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| How am I racist? |
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| Although I know I could teach you a few things about life, I'm not your teacher. Educate yourself. There'd be numerous peeps on here probably willing to explain to your simple self about Hitler's genius. Not me however. |
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| but if it makes you feel batter to write us all off as such, so be it. up to you. |
I don't feel
at all for writing you off.
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| I believe your fully aware of how much Americans are disliked, but in denial. Acceptance will aid your spiritual growth. Your ppl accepted Bush's acts and endorsed them by voting him again. That fact is a major reason why so many millions of others like me don't like your lot. |
If you go to the greatest country in the world, the United States, and ask people how they feel about the New York Yankees, many people will say they hate them. Why? Because when you�re the best, everyone under you hates it. It�s really sad to see the inferiority complex you have manifest itself at such a young age.
I advise you to take a few grammar courses. I advise you to learn to spell. I advise you to stop posting like you would a text message to Mindy about �the cute boy sitting across from you in math class.� I advise you to go out in the world and get a little perspective. I advise you to take the �I hate America� blinders off. I advise you to stop taking everything your anti-Semitic website have to offer you.
I advise you to walk up to the next GI you see and tell him all of the same stuff you have written on here. I advise you to have health insurance first.
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| This convo. is pointless. You're American (or u really love America) and your mind is closed to any negative opinions/truths about the matter. What a surprise. |
When you post some truths, I�ll be shocked.
And, u shud stp abbrv wrds tht u dnt ned 2. U snd lik a jkass. |
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caniff
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fiveeagles
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Unite Against America (UAA) |
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This is a war we must win. This isnt vietnam where we leave and lose our pride a bit and later everythings all good.
The enemy we fight today, if we lose, will attack us again, on our shors or abroad. This enemy doesnt care if its children, women, civilians, etc.
Unlike the North vietnamese, these people will continue to fight. |
Actually, Vietnam was a war that we should have stayed and won.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Aftermath
Hundreds of thousands of former high ranking South Vietnamese officials, particularly ARVN officers, were imprisoned in reeducation camps after the Communist takeover. Tens of thousands died in these camps, and many fled the country after being released. Up to two million civilians also fled the country, and as many as half of these boat people perished at sea, trying to escape the country.
Iraq would be worse. |
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mack4289
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The problem I have with the argument that the US should stay in because of what would happen if we left is this: we can stay in and probably keep Iraq from complete anarchy but we'll never be able to put in enough troops to actually stabilize it. The war doesn't have enough support for that. Not to mention there's no guarantee that even half a million US troops could stablilize Iraq. So we can either withdraw now and let whatever's gonna happen or withdraw later with the same result. To make the withdrawal option more flexible, tie our rate of withdrawal to political measures taken by the Iraqi government to crack down on the sectarian violence. The problem with not having incentives and punishments for how the Iraqi government acts is that we could put ourselves in the position of letting the Iraqis f*ck the Sunnis with our d*ck (that disturbing image is explained more in this article by Christopher Hitchens, who has been and is still a strong proponent of the war http://www.slate.com/id/2157663/).
The other thing is that everyone thinks Iraq will fall into chaos if the US leaves and I'd guess it would too but remember when so many people inside and outside of the US thought Iraq had WMDs? My point is not that since we were wrong on one we're wrong on the other but just that we should learn from the WMDs issue to question our assumptions more. |
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