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Teaching Korean Children How To Hate? Who does it?
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Teaching Korean Children How To Hate? Who does it? Reply with quote

I got onto thinking about this topic last week when after showing a group of middle school boys the Deal Or No Deal game website, http://www.nbc.com/Deal_or_No_Deal/game/, the boys immediately commented collectively that the white & black models of the show were ugly. All I could think was how narrow-minded their thinking was, not to mention racist.

In another class, I asked the students to draw pictures to design a cd cover. One student drew a map of China sinking into the sea. He wrote in English "Sink China, Die!". I then asked him why Japan wasn't on his map of the area and he glared at me and said "That's right. Japan isn't on my map."

Some months ago, a Japanese friend emailed me some images of hand-drawn pictures done by Korean elementary school children showing Japan getting bombed by Korea and Japanese people getting killed by Koreans. All she said was how sad it was that Korean adults teach hate to their children. The injustices of Japan's wartime and colonization periods were awful and painful, but is this a justifiable way to react to them today? How can Koreans stand on a higher moral ground compared to the Japanese when they're consciously teaching their children to hate? I've done a web search to find these kinds of hate filled drawings and came up with these;
http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/Korean-Anti-Japanese-Art.html

Who exactly is teaching Korean children to hate the Japanese and Chinese? Is it parents, teachers or TV?
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babtangee



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching Korean Children How To Hate? Who does it? Reply with quote

Dev wrote:
Who exactly is teaching Korean children to hate the Japanese and Chinese? Is it parents, teachers or ["and" not "or"] TV?


Clearly you already know the answer, so what's the point of this question?
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a lot of hate toward China and Japan, although I haven't ever heard comments that bad before from Korean students. If you go visit Seodaemun Prison in Seoul (which by the way is a very depressing place) you can understand some of the feelings people have toward Japan.

I'm not saying I agree with what the kid said, but there is quite a bit of animosity between China, Japan and Korea.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone got a link to all those hate pictures by elementary school kids with Gord's original captions?

It's much funnier with the captions. Just kinda sad without them.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Jewish people would say, "Less we never forget..." or something like that.

How should you react to a people who invaded your country, subjigated your countrymen, taught then to hate their culture and to use a different language, raped the women and killed many?

It is not just the Koreans; there are people all over Asia who still hold some serious grudges against the Japanese.

If there are still any left alive, ask people back home who lived through World War II, what they think of the Japanese and the Germans. What do people think about Nazis today? How about Communists? Russians?

Korea has found a way to tolerate the Japanese. It is not like there are politicians running around saying bomb the Japanese. And, they are starting to remove trade barriers. It is not like the kids don't read Japanese comic books or listen to J-Pop. Koreans often take on Japanese fashion and soem pop culture trends. They study the Japanese language. And, many Koreans love to visit Korea.

But I don't think many Koreans are going to forgive the Japanese any time too soon. Especially, when Japan has done little beyond lip service to address the wrongs they committed during World War II. Take a look at Germany and what they have done to make amends. It is like black and white.

Kids act out their frustrations. We could see similar pictures from traumatized children around the focus of their trauma. I would not belittle Korea's pain. It is going to take some truly great diplomats to get Korea to feel Japanese forgiveness and I don't think Japan has a right to just demand it.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another insightful question from Dev. Rolling Eyes I wonder who taught him to hate Koreans.
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The Hierophant



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm stoked that Koreans, Chinese and Japanese generally hate each other's guts. If the NE Asian region was united in co-operation the rest of the world wouldn't stand a chance against it. Anything that weakens Asia militarily, diplomatically and economically is a boon to the Western World. So long as open war doesn't erupt, let the fools hate each other.
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:


If there are still any left alive, ask people back home who lived through World War II, what they think of the Japanese and the Germans. What do people think about Nazis today? How about Communists? Russians?



You're kidding, right?

Show me some hate for Germany or Japan in the West and I'll give you my left testy.

Jewish people don't even have a huge hate on for Germany any more.

Terrible comparison my man.

AND, you definitely don't have Western children saying anything about Germans.

Sure, we all say Nazis suck... but none of us are stupid enough to hate Germany.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I think the Jewish people would say, "Less we never forget..." or something like that.


We prefer to say things which make grammatical sense. It works better that way.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Anyone got a link to all those hate pictures by elementary school kids with Gord's original captions?
It's much funnier with the captions. Just kinda sad without them.

Here you are.
Children's drawings in the subway!
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550

Teaching History in Korean schools�
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=5

Korean Superiority
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=49

Teachers return to militant action
By Jin Hyun-joo, The Korea Herald (September 1, 2006)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/09/01/200609010010.asp
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
I think the Jewish people would say, "Less we never forget..." or something like that.

How should you react to a people who invaded your country, subjigated your countrymen, taught then to hate their culture and to use a different language, raped the women and killed many?

It is not just the Koreans; there are people all over Asia who still hold some serious grudges against the Japanese.

If there are still any left alive, ask people back home who lived through World War II, what they think of the Japanese and the Germans. What do people think about Nazis today? How about Communists? Russians?

Korea has found a way to tolerate the Japanese. It is not like there are politicians running around saying bomb the Japanese. And, they are starting to remove trade barriers. It is not like the kids don't read Japanese comic books or listen to J-Pop. Koreans often take on Japanese fashion and soem pop culture trends. They study the Japanese language. And, many Koreans love to visit Korea.

But I don't think many Koreans are going to forgive the Japanese any time too soon. Especially, when Japan has done little beyond lip service to address the wrongs they committed during World War II. Take a look at Germany and what they have done to make amends. It is like black and white.

Kids act out their frustrations. We could see similar pictures from traumatized children around the focus of their trauma. I would not belittle Korea's pain. It is going to take some truly great diplomats to get Korea to feel Japanese forgiveness and I don't think Japan has a right to just demand it.


I agree that Japanese atrocities were, well, atrocities. However, they were not perpetrated on Koreans who are currently children. The only atrocity being perpetrated now is the hate being taught by authority figures.

PEace
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hierophant wrote:
I'm stoked that Koreans, Chinese and Japanese generally hate each other's guts. If the NE Asian region was united in co-operation the rest of the world wouldn't stand a chance against it. Anything that weakens Asia militarily, diplomatically and economically is a boon to the Western World. So long as open war doesn't erupt, let the fools hate each other.


TH,

I think your right about what would happen if China, Korea and Japan stood together. It's kind of sad that they have such a disfunctional relationship that they can't come together to improve their standard of living (more so for Korea and China then Japan).
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhh.....Do Koreans like anyone?
oh- maybe germans apparently.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hate Japan Wave!
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=120

Hyomilryu (���Ϸ�)
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=198

Hyeomillyu (Hangul: ���Ϸ�; Hanja: ����׵) or The Hate Japan Wave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyeomillyu
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
eamo wrote:
Anyone got a link to all those hate pictures by elementary school kids with Gord's original captions?
It's much funnier with the captions. Just kinda sad without them.

Here you are.
Children's drawings in the subway!
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550

Teaching History in Korean schools�
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=5

Korean Superiority
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=49


Teachers return to militant action
By Jin Hyun-joo, The Korea Herald (September 1, 2006)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/09/01/200609010010.asp


Tsk Tsk, RR, quoting that most unbalanced of sites, Occidentalism. That is not to say there are not some serious problems with how Koreans are taught to perceive the outside world, and particularly Japan. I'm taking more and more of an interest in the social studies courses offered at the private elementary school I teach at, because I am noticing the kids hit grade three and develop a pretty serious hate-on for Japan. Add to that the kind of 'Triumph of the Will" style bollox written by Dr Rhee, which finds its way into a significant proportion of Korean households and its obvious there are some wildly unchecked and potentially dangerous opinions out there entering kids' minds. A better perspective on how Korea sees itself and the rest of the world can be taken from the Metropolitician's blog. Try this for starters.

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/04/the_gates_of_th.html

Then these could be of interest

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/korean_folks_do.html

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/on_korean_blood.html

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/where_do_korean.html

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/blast_from_my_p.html

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/textbooks_what_.html

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/02/thoughts_on_the.html

This one deals specifically with Korea/Japan relations

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2007/04/they_them_they_.html
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