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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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With this much brain power, this thread ought to be in off topic.
Super's new camera is a great little unit. For a 1600 ISO shot, that picture is pretty clean. No need to defend yourself in any way here, SH.
There are huge differences in point and shoot cameras, but of course aldershot wouldn't know that; he already knows everything and doesn't need to even look. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
same shot taken two minutes ago, full auto mode - again no photoshop except to resize.
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not bad at all. |
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aldershot
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: |
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whoooaaaa, whoooaaaa, slow down there demophobe. you're the king techno-phile... i haven't claimed to be anything but an amateur shutterbug.
my freakin' point was: why not spend the little extra money it takes to get a DSLR camera. that's all. if you drop $400 on a P&S, why not $500 for a DSLR? and superhero made legit claims as to why he didn't. i realize some folks don't care about photography (as such) and simply want to "capture" a memory. fine by me. hence the comparison to a disposable camera.
and mr. phobe, it's not your argument mate, so back down.[/i] |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Not my argument? Well, I'll be...this isn't a public forum? Everything is mine. Or yours. Or his. Or hers.
A $500 DSLR will suck. Disposable cameras suck to the nth degree. I have never seen a digital camera (even an early Samsung) that sucked that badly.
I am no king of anything and back pedaling is funny.
I spent $600 on my Canon S70. Great camera. From my 1D II, it's a downgrade, but what isn't from that? |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| man, what a terrible picture.. |
It is but consider the settings he used, plus it is far more convenient to have a point and shoot digital camera than a disposable one. We may not always want to print out every photo.
I do agree that the comparison that SH tried to make with the flash on and off is kind of moot since the flash isn't going to reflect off anything nearby.
and mr. phobe, it's not your argument mate, so back down
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aldershot
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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phoa, that 1d mark II is certainly a sweet camera. why'd you downgrade, demophobe?
look, don't bust a nut here, but are you really telling me that a P&S camera is superior to a DSLR? what about an SLR?
your photograph is only going to be as good (coupled with human imagination) as the lense you are using. DSLR's and SLR's allow you to choose many different types of lenses for myriad scenarios. P&S's options are ultimately limited.
i realize the $500 DSLR isn't going to win any prizes but it is ultimately superior to any P&S. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| aldershot wrote: |
phoa, that 1d mark II is certainly a sweet camera. why'd you downgrade, demophobe?
look, don't bust a nut here, but are you really telling me that a P&S camera is superior to a DSLR? what about an SLR?
your photograph is only going to be as good (coupled with human imagination) as the lense you are using. DSLR's and SLR's allow you to choose many different types of lenses for myriad scenarios. P&S's options are ultimately limited.
i realize the $500 DSLR isn't going to win any prizes but it is ultimately superior to any P&S. |
Well...I think the point is not about what is a superior camera, but what is better for the use you are going to put it to. Many people, myself included, are too lazy to get educated enough to get the full use out of a high-end camera. Add to that the fact that many people prize mobility more than picture quality (especially when that picture quality may not be noticeable on the type of shots we most often take.)
What it basically comes down to is priorities. Clearly, you prioritize picture quality and perhaps features. That's fine. Others, however, would rather have ease of use and mobility. At the end of the day, it's a very personal decision. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| aldershot wrote: |
phoa, that 1d mark II is certainly a sweet camera. why'd you downgrade, demophobe?
look, don't bust a nut here, but are you really telling me that a P&S camera is superior to a DSLR? what about an SLR?
your photograph is only going to be as good (coupled with human imagination) as the lense you are using. DSLR's and SLR's allow you to choose many different types of lenses for myriad scenarios. P&S's options are ultimately limited.
i realize the $500 DSLR isn't going to win any prizes but it is ultimately superior to any P&S. |
I bought the 1D when I was into the art. That has faded and other things which needed the money that could be gained by selling it and it's accompanying lenses was more useful in other areas. That is history. I have many a great photo taken with that baby...I had a few in the photo competition, but pulled them as I was only looking for some feedback.
Now, no, generally, a DSLR will be better than a P&S, but seeing as they are really both a sum of the parts, for that money, a P&S will be arguably better in some areas. With a DSLR at $500, you are getting a low-end, entry level product. Hardly worth writing home about. But for that same money, one can get a worthy P&S; full featured, good CCD, lens, zoom, etc. Again, to be clear, I am not saying that one is necessarily better than the other in all cases, but that with one, you are getting a fairly high-end model, with the other, a low end one.
Personally, I would rather have a high quality P&S than an entry-level DSLR. I would put my S70 against many low-end DSLR cameras; I did when I bought it and determined that I was thinking correctly. I did many image quality comparisons (I did that, not some review site) and yes, did read a pail of reviews.
The S70 rocks. Also, it was the last Canon P&S that did RAW. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Hey I have a $500 DSLR camera  |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| Hey I have a $500 DSLR camera |
Don't listen to me. I may be insane. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| I do agree that the comparison that SH tried to make with the flash on and off is kind of moot since the flash isn't going to reflect off anything nearby. |
true but the average person doesn't know that and I was showing the difference between full-auto mode and manual mode. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| aldershot wrote: |
i'll never understand why people would drop 300-400$ on a point and shoot camera. no matter what the megapixel count or the in-camera optical zoom (NEVER use digital zoom), your photo is gonna look only slightly better than a disposable camera. in fact, that's what P&S cameras are: the disposable camera of yesteryear.
i mean, c'mon, look at the noise in the last photo posted by superhero. you spent 400$ for that?
spend the extra money people, maybe 100-200$ more, and buy yourselves a low-range DSLR. or if you wanna start doing really fun things with your camera, a mid-range will do you well.
just my 2 cents. thanks for you time. |
Actually, the IXUS/IXY/SD give you the choice between manual or automatic. For the price, the pictures are quite good. As close as you'll get to an SLR without the bulk. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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whoooaaaa, whoooaaaa, slow down there demophobe. you're the king techno-phile... i haven't claimed to be anything but an amateur shutterbug.
my freakin' point was: why not spend the little extra money it takes to get a DSLR camera. that's all. if you drop $400 on a P&S, why not $500 for a DSLR? and superhero made legit claims as to why he didn't. i realize some folks don't care about photography (as such) and simply want to "capture" a memory. fine by me. hence the comparison to a disposable camera.
and mr. phobe, it's not your argument mate, so back down.[/i] |
Bulk. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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BUMP
I posted in the Off Topic Forum.
I've been researching to purchase an Ultra Compact Camera.
I've been to the dpreview and other camera oriented websites.
I've priced out stuff at buydig.com and bh photo.
So I've trimmed down to the Pentax Optio A30.
Also on the short list Canon Powershot SD1000 or 800,
the Lumix FX100, Casio Exilim EX-1050 or 1200, and FujiFilm F50fd.
Anyone with Experience with any of these or with other slim cameras let me know.
Another Interesting Camera, I could get much information it was
announced a few days ago, the Optio Z10 with a refraction lens. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think I'm going with the Lumix fx33 when it becomes available here. |
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