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Canuck Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

In response to Natalie�s jab (poorly veiled as a query) to Canucks and their �cult-like� obsession with hockey, and some silly follow-up comments, I�d like to debunk a myth and offer some insight into a sadly misunderstood part of Canadiana: our love for hockey.

In a recent post, some �person� (I suspect it was really a clever dog � Jack Russell maybe- who mastered the keyboard) suggested that Canadians love hockey because Canada is a �one-sport country� that has nothing else to offer spectators in the sporting community (studio laughter).

Let�s look at some facts that suggest buddy is barking up the wrong tree:

-Canada, a country of just 30 million, finished 3rd (24 medals) in the last Winter Olympics (yes we are a cold-climate country), one medal behind the USA (300 million) , and 5 medals behind Germany (80 million). FYI: you only get 2 medals for hockey.

-The current MVP of Major League Baseball is a Canadian: Justin Morneau

-The current MVP of the NBA is a Canadian: Steve Nash (2 time winner)

- Canadian Eric Gagne was handed the National League Cy Young Award in 2004

-Our international basketball and baseball teams often finish in the top 10 of world competition, despite a relative lack of support by government and corporate sectors.

-Our women�s soccer team is ranked in the world top 10 and finished 4th in the Last World Cup. You go girl!

- Our men�s soccer team�.well�soccer is a girls� sport.

-Throughout its modern sports history, Canada has produced athletes that have dominated their popular sport on the international stage for prolonged periods in skiing (the Crazy Canucks) swimming (Victor Davis, Alex Bowman), track and field (Donovan Bailey, Ben -I was the only one who got caught � Johnson), cycling (Steve Bauer), rowing, wrestling, boarding, and on goes the list.

- In curling, it can be argued that Canada has had even more success on the international stage than in hockey.

So, if Canada is a country diverse in sporting excellence, why does hockey reign supreme in the hearts and minds of Canadians? Could it be that hockey is so popular due to the levels of participation by Canadians? Nope. More Canadian kids and youth actually play soccer than hockey.
Oh, maybe its because Canadians "invented" hockey and have a special connection? Nope. Basketball, football, 5-pin bowling, and lacross were all products of Canadian pioneering.

So why don�t sports like soccer (mass Canadian participation) and curling (mass success on the international stage) capture the hearts and minds of Canadians like hockey?

It�s simple Natalie. No other sport combines the level of speed, skill and toughness that hockey does. A particular combination of elements/values that Canadians find thrilling. It's this unique demand on participants that is the key attraction for players, who form a special esprit de� corp born of competing "in the trenches� and for spectators who witness amazing skills, physical prowess, and true, high-speed drama and conflict. You don�t fake it in hockey. You don�t win without total team effort (no premodonas, thank you), and you don�t play nice. Its not for the weak nor the feign of heart or mind. From skilled beauty in motion at an unmatched pace to violent hits that challenge your strength and courage; you need it all to play this sport. And, thank god it�s not for all.

Keep your mass appeal sports that the common man loves and understands. Hockey is for the few.


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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While, I agree with most of this post, your stats on women's soccer are wrong.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

relax dude

as a kiwi i don't understand canada's thing with hockey,

However i also don't understand america's thing with gridiron, nor england's thing with soccer, nor australia's thing with rugby Very Happy

every country has a
[/quote]“cult-like” obsession[quote]
with some sport. Natalie was just having some fun. She was just teasing mate nothing to worry about
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Natalie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, great. I appreciate anyone with passion for anything Very Happy
and btw, my original post was nothing more than observation.
If anything: appreciation and never a 'jab' Rolling Eyes
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Canuck Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natalie wrote:
my original post was nothing more than observation.
If anything: appreciation and never a 'jab' Rolling Eyes



LOL, I know. My words regarding you were tongue-in-cheek. My post was mostly addressing other comments on your original post, not yours. But,
I wanted to look at your avitar some more so I addressed you.

Besides, it's more fun if it was a jab. Then I could challenge you to a shootout for the sake of honour and such.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

Canuck Teacher wrote:

-Canada, a country of just 30 million, finished 3rd (24 medals) in the last Winter Olympics (yes we are a cold-climate country), one medal behind the USA (300 million) , and 5 medals behind Germany (80 million). FYI: you only get 2 medals for hockey.


Out of curiosity, how does Canada fare in the Commonwealth games? Of all the millions living in the country I suppose it should be far strong than say Australia?

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-The current MVP of the NBA is a Canadian: Steve Nash (2 time winner)


This guy is a freak altogether, born in Pakistan of all country!

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-Our international basketball and baseball teams often finish in the top 10 of world competition, despite a relative lack of support by government and corporate sectors.


Thank you America.

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- Our men�s soccer team�.well�soccer is a girls� sport.


What?

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-Throughout its modern sports history, Canada has produced athletes that have dominated their popular sport on the international stage for prolonged periods in skiing (the Crazy Canucks) swimming (Victor Davis, Alex Bowman), track and field (Donovan Bailey, Ben -I was the only one who got caught � Johnson), cycling (Steve Bauer), rowing, wrestling, boarding, and on goes the list.


Actually I've only heard of Donovan Bailey and Ben Johnson, but aren't these guys Jamaicans?

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- In curling, it can be argued that Canada has had even more success on the international stage than in hockey.


What's curling? Is that some form of cake decorating?

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So, if Canada is a country diverse in sporting excellence, why does hockey reign supreme in the hearts and minds of Canadians? Could it be that hockey is so popular due to the levels of participation by Canadians? Nope. More Canadian kids and youth actually play soccer than hockey.


Because Canada is full of ice? How good are they? Are they anything to fear like say the All-blacks or the Brazillian soccer team? Heard about the Russians and their incredible run during the world championships. Here you can read about one of the best games here :

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history/CanadaCup/english.html

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It�s simple Natalie. No other sport combines the level of speed, skill and toughness that hockey does. A particular combination of elements/values that Canadians find thrilling.


Hockey is like most sports really, fast and exciting, except you wear a lot more paddings and you get to break windows.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:

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So, if Canada is a country diverse in sporting excellence, why does hockey reign supreme in the hearts and minds of Canadians? Could it be that hockey is so popular due to the levels of participation by Canadians? Nope. More Canadian kids and youth actually play soccer than hockey.


Because Canada is full of ice? How good are they? Are they anything to fear like say the All-blacks or the Brazillian soccer team? Heard about the Russians and their incredible run during the world championships. Here you can read about one of the best games here :

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history/CanadaCup/english.html


Actually, it's because for all those years, Canada didn't send it's best players. Back then, Russian players played only in Russia and as a team. In North America, Canadian and American players were still in play-offs for the NHL so the best players didn't go. This is how the Canada Cup came to be, a chance for the best to actually play the best. So, that isn't a very good example.
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Canuck Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Rocklee (I can't say that name without smiling..have u done any action films?), when you suggest Russia had/has a better team, you are actually supporting my suggestion that Canadian love for hockey doesn't come, for the most part, from success on the ice.

The most loyal - rabid - enthusiastic fans in Canada come from Toronto (Leaf Nation) and support a team that hasn't won a championship in 40 years. It ain't the success that does it for many Canadians.

In the same vein, comparing Canadian hockey to the All Blacks or to Brazilian soccer domination is irrelevant. Canadians love hockey for the unique demands and attributes of the sport; win lose or draw.

Just curious, have you ever played hockey...on ice...in a competitive manner? I ask because I really think it helps to "understand" any game if you play it in a structured way. This is why i suggest a quid-pro-quo with Natalie. A lesson on ridding waves for some instruction on taking out your man.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets not forget Canada competes in both the Cricket and Rugby World Cups. They have a foot in both camps.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
rocklee wrote:

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So, if Canada is a country diverse in sporting excellence, why does hockey reign supreme in the hearts and minds of Canadians? Could it be that hockey is so popular due to the levels of participation by Canadians? Nope. More Canadian kids and youth actually play soccer than hockey.


Because Canada is full of ice? How good are they? Are they anything to fear like say the All-blacks or the Brazillian soccer team? Heard about the Russians and their incredible run during the world championships. Here you can read about one of the best games here :

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history/CanadaCup/english.html


Actually, it's because for all those years, Canada didn't send it's best players. Back then, Russian players played only in Russia and as a team. In North America, Canadian and American players were still in play-offs for the NHL so the best players didn't go. This is how the Canada Cup came to be, a chance for the best to actually play the best. So, that isn't a very good example.


So I hear :

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What happened before 17,033 mostly silent fans was that the NHL finally ran out of excuses for losing "big" hockey games to the Soviet Union. As Canada Cup II proved once again, the Soviets play for the sickle better than the NHL-ers do for the buck.


Such was Canada's arrogance, they couldn't even applaud their international visitors without making excuses. I know pride is abound but come on man its just a game.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canuck Teacher wrote:
Actually, Rocklee (I can't say that name without smiling..have u done any action films?), when you suggest Russia had/has a better team, you are actually supporting my suggestion that Canadian love for hockey doesn't come, for the most part, from success on the ice.


That may be the case, I'm more interested in the stats than in the game itself. I am always fascinated by the things Russia did in terms of sporting achievements.

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The most loyal - rabid - enthusiastic fans in Canada come from Toronto (Leaf Nation) and support a team that hasn't won a championship in 40 years. It ain't the success that does it for many Canadians.

In the same vein, comparing Canadian hockey to the All Blacks or to Brazilian soccer domination is irrelevant. Canadians love hockey for the unique demands and attributes of the sport; win lose or draw.


Surely you're not speaking of fan-dom here are you? Sounds just like Soccer fans Wink

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Just curious, have you ever played hockey...on ice...in a competitive manner? I ask because I really think it helps to "understand" any game if you play it in a structured way.


I played hockey, most back breaking sport I've ever played.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:


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-The current MVP of the NBA is a Canadian: Steve Nash (2 time winner)


This guy is a freak altogether, born in Pakistan of all country!


South Africa. His parents left when he was two years old because they didn't believe in apartheid. Get your facts straight.
Canada is a world hockey power and is feared in the same vein as Brazil in soccer and New Zealand in rugby. Yah, we lose every now and again, but I didn't see Brazil winning the World Cup last summer.
I love the whole "my sport is better than your sport" arguments. What are we...in Grade 10 here? Come on.
I found Natalie's post to be funny, not offensive. I for one, am amazed that an entire country loves and plays rugby, which I would nominate as THE most violent sport on earth. It's damn cool though. I'm just a wimp and wouldn't ever step on a rugby field.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:03 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

Niagara wrote:
rocklee wrote:


Quote:

-The current MVP of the NBA is a Canadian: Steve Nash (2 time winner)


This guy is a freak altogether, born in Pakistan of all country!


South Africa. His parents left when he was two years old because they didn't believe in apartheid. Get your facts straight.
Canada is a world hockey power and is feared in the same vein as Brazil in soccer and New Zealand in rugby. Yah, we lose every now and again, but I didn't see Brazil winning the World Cup last summer.
I love the whole "my sport is better than your sport" arguments. What are we...in Grade 10 here? Come on.
I found Natalie's post to be funny, not offensive. I for one, am amazed that an entire country loves and plays rugby, which I would nominate as THE most violent sport on earth. It's damn cool though. I'm just a wimp and wouldn't ever step on a rugby field.


Steve Nash was born in Pakistan
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Niagara



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

Niagara wrote:
rocklee wrote:


Quote:

-The current MVP of the NBA is a Canadian: Steve Nash (2 time winner)


This guy is a freak altogether, born in Pakistan of all country!


Steve Nash was born in Pakistan


Now this is getting out of hand...hahaha. Are we talking about the same Steve Nash that appears to have been born in Johannesburg, South Africa?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Nash
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/6715
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Steve_Nash
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Yes Natalie, Santa Claus Does Play Hockey Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
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What happened before 17,033 mostly silent fans was that the NHL finally ran out of excuses for losing "big" hockey games to the Soviet Union. As Canada Cup II proved once again, the Soviets play for the sickle better than the NHL-ers do for the buck.


Such was Canada's arrogance, they couldn't even applaud their international visitors without making excuses. I know pride is abound but come on man its just a game.


You right, it was hard to applaud the Russians. It wasn't just a hockey game. For us too, it was the Cold War. There had been a history, but even still in 4 competitions where our NHLers were put up against the Soviets, we won 3 times. That is pretty dominant. Things have evened out more nowadays, but I would bet money that if you asked each of the hockey playing countries who they wouldn't want to have to play in the final, they would say Canada. However, after last Olympics attempt at just not looking pathetic, that maybe different now.
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