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MrSeoul
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: After school Programs (public schools) |
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Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?
Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.
Thanks, |
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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Becareful, I know one situation where, because the public schools must pay the teacher directly, the company running the after school program wants the teacher to open an account then hand over the bank book, cash card and pin number to them. They take their cut and transfer the salary to another account under the teacher's control.
Of course this happens after the teacher has secured an E2, in a classic bait and switch tactic  . The teacher is left with no choice but to leave town out of pocket  , or play along till they get paid enough to be able to do a runner and break even. Or maybe there are other recourses... |
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inverse_narcissus
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Masan / the pub
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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What do you need to know, OP? I'm in a public (middle) school too and I teach 2 x 2 extra-curric. classes a week.
MONEY: I'm getting paid a little less than what you would normally expect for overtime. (21,000 won as distinct from a usual minimum of 25,000) Moreover, it's paid in one bulk sum at the end of the semester, rather than on a monthly basis. I was going to argue about the former issue but, at the end of the day, my school's been good to me thus far so I decided to let it be.
CLASSES: I teach two conversation classes: one for boys and one for girls. The girls are a dream to work with on the whole, and the boys on the whole don't give a *beep*. Go figure. This is because the girls are the best English students in the school (and have proven themselves as such) whilst the boys just forked out some money for the class, regardless of their quality.
CURRICULUM: If your school's anything like mine, conversation is what they'll want you to teach, given that you're in a unique position to teach syntax, pronunciation and everyday English, whereas the Korean English teachers can teach the meat-and-potatoes stuff. (grammar, etc.)
Hope this helps....
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) |
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| MrSeoul wrote: |
Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?
Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.
Thanks, |
If you mean one of the strictly after school program and not as overtime classes for a P.S. teacher then I have a lot of bad news for you.
Most of them are subcontracted to hakwons. The hakwon supplies the teacher, gets the bulk of the money and you get a crappy contract with none of the protections of a P.S. teacher and all of the crap expected from a hakwon.
Global English is one of the big contractors (they were doing the programs in Incheon and parts of Seoul). I have heard but cannot confirm that they were also subcontracting the programs in a couple of the southern provinces as well.
Read the contract VERY CAREFULLY. Many of them require you to make up classes or lose your overtime if the school has classes canceled for the afternoon because of other activities.
Many of them also don't enroll you in the pension or medical plan even though it is mentioned in the contract.
A few more of them use a double bank account scam that would leave you holding the bag at tax time for several million won in unpaid taxes of your bosses money that are deposited in your name.
Don't get caught in these kinds of scams.
Remember the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true... it probably is. |
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MrSeoul
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| MrSeoul wrote: |
Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?
Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.
Thanks, |
If you mean one of the strictly after school program and not as overtime classes for a P.S. teacher then I have a lot of bad news for you.
Most of them are subcontracted to hakwons. The hakwon supplies the teacher, gets the bulk of the money and you get a crappy contract with none of the protections of a P.S. teacher and all of the crap expected from a hakwon.
Global English is one of the big contractors (they were doing the programs in Incheon and parts of Seoul). I have heard but cannot confirm that they were also subcontracting the programs in a couple of the southern provinces as well.
Read the contract VERY CAREFULLY. Many of them require you to make up classes or lose your overtime if the school has classes canceled for the afternoon because of other activities.
Many of them also don't enroll you in the pension or medical plan even though it is mentioned in the contract.
A few more of them use a double bank account scam that would leave you holding the bag at tax time for several million won in unpaid taxes of your bosses money that are deposited in your name.
Don't get caught in these kinds of scams.
Remember the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true... it probably is. |
With all due respect I really don't understand your post. It seems like you are talking horse shit. Perhaps spreading rumours or talking about shit that you overheard. This is actually with all due respect, because I know you're trying to give good advice. Give me a scenario of which type of program you think I am talking about please so I can understand you better. If you don't mind because it really doesn't make any sense of why I would be required to foot a bill for Korean taxes that I really couldn't give a rats-a-hole about. I just take my money and run, or I pull out before anyone suspects anything. I don't let myself get screwed. I know how to get mine, and I prevent anyone from trying to *beep* with my hussle.
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you, I'd be nice to Mr. ttompatz. He's probably the most knowledgable guy in this dave's forum when it comes to legal issues and good advice.
This is no BS. What he says is absolutely correct.
It's better that you tell us your scoop instead of us giving you useless scoops on different situations. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) |
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| MrSeoul wrote: |
[ If you don't mind because it really doesn't make any sense of why I would be required to foot a bill for Korean taxes that I really couldn't give a rats-a-hole about. I just take my money and run, or I pull out before anyone suspects anything. I don't let myself get screwed. I know how to get mine, and I prevent anyone from trying to *beep* with my hussle.
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The first thing you would know about it is when the tax people send you a bill for unpaid taxes. And they would probably ask Immigration to flag your passport so you couldn't skip the country.
Immigration and the tax people could then "beep with your hussle" all they liked and you couldn't do jack about it. |
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MrSeoul
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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I would just take a boat from Busan, even if I had to head to China in scuba gear nobody touches my money trust me but I like how you put that.. it made me laugh..ok then I really want the scoop so you tell me what I should change please? This contract has since been revised by my recruiter even though I already posted it once before. This was her version part 2.
sample contract edited
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| You come across as a complete a$$ when someone is offering advice. Do a search on these boards for information regarding the after school programs. There was a thread about one or two weeks ago about someone involved with one of these programs and how he was expected to pay the taxes. These programs are NOT reliable and usually can't be trusted. There are exceptions of course, so do what you want. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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You posted this contract before and I pointed out the red flags. EVERY single one of them is still there.
And as for taking a boat from Busan...you still have to show your passport. You can't leave the country without showing your passport.
You are also being shafted on overtime. Do the math. You are required to work 25 hours a week or 100 hours a month for 22000,000 won. That equates to 22,000 won per hour. However overtime is 20,000 won a hour. They are paying you LESS for overtime then regular time....what's up with that?
And tell them to drop that clocking in and out nonsense. That's never been in any regular public school contract I've seen. That's just something your school came up with to keep tabs on you. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I would just take a boat from Busan, even if I had to head to China in scuba gear nobody touches my money trust me but I like how you put that.. it made me laugh.. |
Few years back - 1992 my friend Paranoid Jamie got deported from Spain on fairly serious charges.
He recieved a letter from the Spanish government telling him that he wasn't welcome back to Spain for 10 years. The UK or Spanish authorities had his passport.
In all his wisdom he snuck back in and went back to his old life. The police eventually got wind of his return and came to get him. He was tipped off by a friend in the local police that this was going to happen. Another friend collected him with a scuba kit in the back of his truck and took him to the coast and told him to scuba to Gibralta to get onto UK soil.
Jamie decided that this wasn't the best plan he had ever heard and decided to risk it on a bus to Paris. Stupid bugger ended up on the bus that went all around the towns picking people up before hitting the border.
Got away with it as well. |
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MrSeoul
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| You come across as a complete a$$ when someone is offering advice. Do a search on these boards for information regarding the after school programs. There was a thread about one or two weeks ago about someone involved with one of these programs and how he was expected to pay the taxes. These programs are NOT reliable and usually can't be trusted. There are exceptions of course, so do what you want. |
Ok so because of some thread on this message board a few weeks ago I should assume that it's going to happen to me also right? So I was right by saying that cerulean808 was talking about stuff that was overheard. Well look i'm not going to argue with anybody I just hope that we can try to come to terms for the sake of other teachers future experiences seeing this is going to go in the archives so instead of bickering back and forth over who's right and who's wrong, let's talk about soloutions rather then problems and use the preventative approach. If you guys don't agree then fine but I think it's fair to say that not all after school programs that sound too good to be true are going to try and screw me on taxes. I wasn't born yesterday. Despite the ghetto talk (which was jokingly true) I wasn't put on this earth to get taken advantage of. I wouldn't let myself get screwed. |
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MrSeoul
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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You posted this contract before and I pointed out the red flags. EVERY single one of them is still there.
And as for taking a boat from Busan...you still have to show your passport. You can't leave the country without showing your passport.
You are also being shafted on overtime. Do the math. You are required to work 25 hours a week or 100 hours a month for 22000,000 won. That equates to 22,000 won per hour. However overtime is 20,000 won a hour. They are paying you LESS for overtime then regular time....what's up with that?
And tell them to drop that clocking in and out nonsense. That's never been in any regular public school contract I've seen. That's just something your school came up with to keep tabs on you. |
Honestly is that really a big deal? You think i'm gonna bicker over 3000 Won for overtime per hour? What does that come out to at the end of the month? A soju bottle? Let me give you a peice of advice if I may. Recruiters will only take so much, you pretty much have 3 demands on the negotiation process before most recruiters will tell you to take a hike. As I said before I think housing and other things are more important then clocking in and out. So what if they keep tabs on me? I have nothing to hide. As a matter of fact it will protect me because I can prove what was owed if I ever had to take it to labour. Not only that how often you really think so-called part-timers are going to be required to work overtime? I mean be realistic. For the amount of time "if" that would happen wouldn't even be worth fighting over, it's a joke to even consider. I rather ask for bigger things. Conserv...I really appreciate your help and i'm not trying to compromise your intentions of pointing out flaws but really are they that big of a deal? I rather talk about perks that mean much more. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Check it out, Mr. Seoul...sign the stupid contract and be done w/ it. Frankly, I hope you get screwed. I've never heard a good thing about an after school program, ever..here and anywhere else. I think 3/4 of the teachers working in them are getting screwed and are probably too stupid to realize it..Hmm.
Anyhow, I think that you are most likely a Korean Hogwan owner or a person that places teachers in afterschool programs. Right? All in all, sounds as though you've pulled on it too much!
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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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MrSeoul
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| So I was right by saying that cerulean808 was talking about stuff that was overheard. |
Yeah sure Mr Seoul, in fact to make it up to you I'll happily refer you to an outfit and you can sign up, they're always lookin for a teacher funnily enough. I'm sure you'd get what you deserve  . |
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