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endo
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STEVIE
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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AND ONE MORE FOR YOU BUDDY!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA. MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE. THANKS YOU STEVIE, YOU BROUGHT A SMILE TO MY FACE TODAY.
now let's all pray you eat some humble pie and begin to look at this complex world a little more objectively. it will do you some good my friend and expand how you see the thing. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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See above. The US aids terrorists all the time. They are now. They are aiding terrorists in many places. We always have. We overthrew Iran. Do they not have a right to retaliate?
What say you? |
Brilliant rationale, EFLTrainer.
Did you arrive at this conclusion before or after taking your meds this morning?
Specifically delineate where and how the U.S. is abetting terrorists in the world today, otherwise STFU. |
Stevie! You pocket-protector warrior, you! STFU?? Wow! I'm a'skeered...
Let's see.... Iran! I'm sure there are others. There always are. Oh, wait! You call them freedom fries... er... fighters! We have no right to be operating in Iran, yet our military is and is aiding and abetting the opposition. We have no right to do so. If Iran were active in the US, you would scream like a banshee in heat getting shagged up the butt. Now shut up, you raging hypocrite.
ENDO, Nice-uh!!!
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Iran was made a generous offer in this stand off by the parties invovle..suspend uranium enrichment, work otu a deal and theyd be given nuclear assistance , economic incentives, as well as a couple light water reactors , membership to WTO...a great package which they turned down. |
It seems so, though I've not ever looked at the details as to whether the deal was good for them. At the time I thought they should have accepted the deal. Stubbornness? Stupidity? Other agendas? Don't know. (But let's not pretend I am supporting Iran, if that is your implication. Nothing I have ever stated would support that conclusion, so why are you bringing this up?) |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
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See above. The US aids terrorists all the time. They are now. They are aiding terrorists in many places. We always have. We overthrew Iran. Do they not have a right to retaliate?
What say you? |
Brilliant rationale, EFLTrainer.
Did you arrive at this conclusion before or after taking your meds this morning?
Specifically delineate where and how the U.S. is abetting terrorists in the world today, otherwise STFU. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahedeen-e_Khalq
Apparently US forces in Iraq are protecting this group dispite their status as recongnized as terrorists. The reason is because they have some valuable information on Iran.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html
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| A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News. |
You just got served biatch!
And don't you have a phd Stevie? Shouldn't someone with your brain know this.
And I got no love for the Iranians, but to be so clouded in your support for America that you fail to see their hypocritical actions really makes me suspect your own intelligence. |
In the first case their designation as terrorists have been overturned by the European Court of Justice. Nice try though.
In the second case, a CIA spokesperson has specifically stated that the group does NOT receive U.S funding.
In the final analysis you really have no proof which can not be countered. |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I expected a response like that for your kind.
First of all the first terrorist group mentioned is still listed by the American government as a terrorist organization. I don't give a f%#^ what the Europeans think!
And what the hell is this crap you're trying to feed me? Since when did you care what the Europeans thought? Oh yeah, only when it goes with you're argument. Any other time, you'd be quick to diss them.
Give me a break!
As for the second terrorost group mentioned; yeah buddy, do you really think the CIA would admit to funding a terrorist organization?
You're argument is incredibly weak and to be honest pathetic.
And even if the CIA wasn't directly funding the second group (which I highly doubt), you don't think they are providing intelligence or arms to groups fighting aginst the Iranian regime.
Biatch please!
I'm not stupid so don't bring this crap here. So buddy but America is not the baston of morality on this planet. I'd much prefer them to any Islamic regime, but that doesn't mean that American actions globally aren't in many way hypocritical. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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endo:
Still eating those magic mushrooms, I see. Please don't feed any to EFLTrainer as they'll cross-react with his new medication.
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| In the first case their designation as terrorists have been overturned by the European Court of Justice. Nice try though. In the second case, a CIA spokesperson has specifically stated that the group does NOT receive U.S funding. In the final analysis you really have no proof which can not be countered. |
Beat me to the punch; my thoughts exactly.
Ya know, just a little pointer, endo: you won't gain credibility on these boards constantly expressing fear of the dreaded UPPERCASE.
And post half a dozen photos of people being "owned" makes you look like a juvenile delinquent.
Then again, maybe you're just a sock for BLT. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Iran was made a generous offer in this stand off by the parties invovle..suspend uranium enrichment, work otu a deal and theyd be given nuclear assistance , economic incentives, as well as a couple light water reactors , membership to WTO...a great package which they turned down. |
It seems so, though I've not ever looked at the details as to whether the deal was good for them. At the time I thought they should have accepted the deal. Stubbornness? Stupidity? Other agendas? Don't know. (But let's not pretend I am supporting Iran, if that is your implication. Nothing I have ever stated would support that conclusion, so why are you bringing this up?) |
I brought it up because, through all the diplomatic offers made to tehran, and the defiance that resulted, the funding of terrorists in Iraq and AFghanistan and the supplying them with explosives, of the capturing miltiary personnel, all the threats agaisnt israel, everything, if it ends up taking a week or two of air raids to knock out irans program, no one will be able to say that every diplomatic effort wasnt tried. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I expected a response like that for your kind.
First of all the first terrorist group mentioned is still listed by the American government as a terrorist organization. I don't give a f%#^ what the Europeans think!
And what the hell is this crap you're trying to feed me? Since when did you care what the Europeans thought? Oh yeah, only when it goes with you're argument. Any other time, you'd be quick to diss them.
Give me a break!
As for the second terrorost group mentioned; yeah buddy, do you really think the CIA would admit to funding a terrorist organization?
You're argument is incredibly weak and to be honest pathetic.
And even if the CIA wasn't directly funding the second group (which I highly doubt), you don't think they are providing intelligence or arms to groups fighting aginst the Iranian regime.
Biatch please!
I'm not stupid so don't bring this crap here. So buddy but America is not the baston of morality on this planet. I'd much prefer them to any Islamic regime, but that doesn't mean that American actions globally aren't in many way hypocritical. |
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CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.
Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.
A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context. |
I don't know how much this is worth but I will take the word of the US government over the words of the Khomeni followers of Iran.
More imporantly Endo. I have a Question:
Who started it?
You mean the US is being hypocritical for hitting back? You mean the US ought to just take it? Tell us why? That is a very high standard to hold the US to.
Besides Khomenism is an sinister cause. That needs to be considered as well.
No moral equivalence there.
Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq.
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution",.
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities.
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http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
They support the terror/ hate group Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells drugs.
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence.
They also did things like kill translators of the Satanic Versus.
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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And what the hell is this crap you're trying to feed me? Since when did you care what the Europeans thought? Oh yeah, only when it goes with you're argument. Any other time, you'd be quick to diss them.
And even if the CIA wasn't directly funding the second group (which I highly doubt), you don't think they are providing intelligence or arms to groups fighting aginst the Iranian regime.
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I'm not stupid so don't bring this crap here. So buddy but America is not the baston of morality on this planet. I'd much prefer them to any Islamic regime, but that doesn't mean that American actions globally aren't in many way hypocritical. |
You have NO idea what I think about the Europeans as I have never mentioned them before in my posts in regards to terrorism.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I don't believe that they are no. And you have no proof otherwise.
3. If America is not the bastion of morality then why are you accepting their claim that these people are terrorists?
And BTW you might want to calm down with the "owned" pictures. They dont strengthen your argument and rather detracts from any relevance it has. |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are unbelievable!
I produced two clear cut examples and you make futile attempts to discredit them.
There right there guys! The first terrorist organization is currently listed as such by the American government. Yet they are essentially protecting them and allowing them to exist because they ultimately serve US interests.
As a result we see a clear cut example that the Americans position on terrorist organizations is scewed and consequently they loose a lot of credibility in my book in their War on Terror.
But I understand why the Americans are protecting this group because they in turn provide a lot of valuable intelligence in regards to what's going on inside Iran. |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Which brings me to my second point.
If the Americans are clearly willing to protect a listed terrorist organization in order to gain intelligence on Iran, then it doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that the Americans are also sending in spies and saboteurs into Iran in order to further strengthen their intelligence on a regime they are in effect fighting a proxy war on.
Com on guys! If you were CIA wouldn't you be trying to do the same thing.
And for those of you who said thaat they trust what the CIA spokesperson said, then I want to bring you to an ice cold realm known as hell with flying pigs.
Please........you clearly don't have any sense of history and how the sinister world of intelligence operates. |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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And Mr. Stevie, since when did you ever support a "European" position?
Come on man.
I already made you look like a fool so just eat some humble pie and don't make any more stupid comments.
And to The_Conservative, you're right I made an assumption and I apoligise. But at the same time you cannot discredit the fact that the Americans still lable the MEK as a terrorist organization.
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| It is noteworthy that three years ago, U.S. intelligence circles suggested re-arming MEK and using it to destabilize Iran, a recommendation that has apparently readily been implemented. The undertaking of this plan makes the U.S. government complicit in the terrorist acts that have been carried out inside Iran. The New York Times recently revealed that the camp operates under the protection of the U.S. military and American troops chauffer MEK operatives. |
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=america+supporting+terrorists+in+Iran&btnG=Google+Search
There's all the evidence you need right there boys. And this story hasn't just been picked up by cooky conspiricists (is that a word?), but ABC news, CNN, and the New York Times. Yes, "liberal" sources of media, but nonetheless mainstream ones. |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how much this is worth but I will take the word of the US government over the words of the Khomeni followers of Iran.
More imporantly Endo. I have a Question:
Who started it?
You mean the US is being hypocritical for hitting back? You mean the US ought to just take it? Tell us why? That is a very high standard to hold the US to.
Besides Khomenism is an sinister cause. That needs to be considered as well. |
Well in regards to you first point, the example I provided was far from the word of a "khomeni follower".
If you read carefully you would see that it was in fact provided by Brian Ross and Christopher Isham of ABC news.
As for the direct question you posed to me, to be honest I don't really care who started it. The argument could go back decades and both sides are at fault.
But let me just pose you this question; what if Iran was directly responsible for the overthrow of the regime in Mexico? And what if the Iranians stationed 150 thousand plus military and civilian personal in Mexico?
How do you think the American government would react? |
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endo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Still eating those magic mushrooms, I see. Please don't feed any to EFLTrainer as they'll cross-react with his new medication. |
Dude you couldn't handle schrooms. The self reflection that it would cause would in effect destroy you. Seriously. Start with a joint.
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| In the first case their designation as terrorists have been overturned by the European Court of Justice. Nice try though. In the second case, a CIA spokesperson has specifically stated that the group does NOT receive U.S funding. In the final analysis you really have no proof which can not be countered. |
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| Beat me to the punch; my thoughts exactly. |
Wow Stevie, I didn't know you supported the "European Court of Justice". Good on you buddy! 
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| Ya know, just a little pointer, endo: you won't gain credibility on these boards constantly expressing fear of the dreaded UPPERCASE. |
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And post half a dozen photos of people being "owned" makes you look like a juvenile delinquent.
Then again, maybe you're just a sock for BLT. |
I made you look like a fool and those pictures represented it.
Juvenile? Absolutely! But funny nonetheless.
Finally, I am not a sock. But nice try buddie. |
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