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Cheonmunka
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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: Core 2 Duo vs P4 |
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If we have two notebooks the same specs in memory, what will be the descernable differences between P4 and Core 2 Duo processors?
Are they faster? |
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Thunndarr
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, Core 2 Duo will be faster for most, probably all things. It might not be noticeable though, depending on what you are doing. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I want to process my guitar, midi etc through the soundcard & music production suite, which I do on a PC but want to do on a notebook with, I guess, Core 2 Duo as its processor.
Notebooks seem to be a little slower even between a PC with the same specs as the notebook. Is this true? Like, same specs, vga, HD space ... the notebook will come out slower? With input and output of sound, latency is where the effect will seem to slow things down because of delay at output back out the soundcard when it comes to processing. My P4 PC has it. Almost one second of it.
But that's no biggy because you can edit in the track display. |
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Thunndarr
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
I want to process my guitar, midi etc through the soundcard & music production software, which I do on a PC but want to do on a notebook with, I guess, Core 2 Duo as its processor.
Notebooks seem to be a little slower even between a PC with the same specs as the notebook. Is this true? Like, same specs, vga, HD space ... the notebook will come out slower? With input and output of sound, latency is where the effect will seem to slow things down because of delay at output back out the soundcard when it comes to processing. My P4 PC has it. Almost one second of it.
But that's no biggy because you can edit. |
With the exact same specs, a notebook and a desktop should be the same speed. However, it is almost always the case that the notebook computer has to skimp on a few components either to prolong batterly life or to lower the price, and that is why they are generally slower.
Things to check for on a notebook computer.
1) Obviously, processor is important.
2) Memory
3) Video card (try to get a dedicated video card as opposed to integrated card.)
4) Make sure the hard drive is 7,200 rpm. I would hazard a guess that this is why most business type applications feel slower on a notebook. Notebook commputers typically use slower hard drives which means programs take longer to load.)
5) For you, I guess a good sound card is important, but you probably know more about that area than I do.
If you've satisfied requirements 1-5 then the notebook shouldn't be any slower than a desktop (assuming exactly equal components.) |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks will check especially on 3 and 4. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Notebooks seem to be a little slower even between a PC with the same specs as the notebook. Is this true? Like, same specs, vga, HD space ... the notebook will come out slower? With input and output of sound, latency is where the effect will seem to slow things down because of delay at output back out the soundcard when it comes to processing. My P4 PC has it. Almost one second of it.
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Notebooks will always be slower than their desktop counterparts, While they've come a long way, you should really use a desktop if you want to play the latest games or run the heaviest tasks. They come out cheaper too. That said, Core 2 Duo runs faster period, but it shines when you're multi-tasking a lot. Don't discount the Pentium M/Centrino if budget is a concern, they are also faster than P4s. Most notebooks are using the Realtek AC97 audio chips which isn't the best out there. You can buy PCMCIA audio cards such as the ones from Creative, though I'm not sure how good they are.
What do you use to connect your guitar/midi to your computer? Line in? Optical in/out?
For what you do, I hear that the Macbooks are good at music processing through garageband. Any reason why you're using a PC instead? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Penryn.
Penryn.
Penryn.
Penryn.
Penryn.
Penryn
It's going to be a great chip. Very worth waiting for...late summer.
Buying now is foolish. DX10 is coming. Barcelona is coming. ATI's DX10 offering is near.
Yes, there are times that are better than others to wait. This is one of those. Not a "there's always something better around the corner" time, but a "there's something truly remarkable around the corner" time. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
I want to process my guitar, midi etc through the soundcard & music production suite, which I do on a PC but want to do on a notebook with, I guess, Core 2 Duo as its processor.
Notebooks seem to be a little slower even between a PC with the same specs as the notebook. Is this true? Like, same specs, vga, HD space ... the notebook will come out slower? With input and output of sound, latency is where the effect will seem to slow things down because of delay at output back out the soundcard when it comes to processing. My P4 PC has it. Almost one second of it.
But that's no biggy because you can edit in the track display. |
I use a Di-Box USB preamp to connect my guitar to my computer. Bought an ASIO compatible soundcard because doing so with AC97 was maxing my P4. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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My kids take over my computer. And, I need a notebook for work, so if I combine the two I can let them have the PC while I use my notebook, especially in quieter places around the house.
AC97 seems to have more lag than the soundblaster thing I once had. But, no big deal.
I use a preamp solution (a quite crappy Eurorack) and go direct into the 3.5 mm? hole and use VST effects after. It's just for fun but get a really clean, clear signal, rather than have all the outer noises and hiss and hum recording through a mic'ed amp set-up.
mmm, dynamic acceleration ... maybe Centrino is good in a laptop.
I thought AC97 was compatible with ASIO. When I open the ASIO dialogue and sliders etc it shows the AC97 sound thingy as working. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
My kids take over my computer. And, I need a notebook for work, so if I combine the two I can let them have the PC while I use my notebook, especially in quieter places around the house.
AC97 seems to have more lag than the soundblaster thing I once had. But, no big deal.
I use a preamp solution (a quite crappy Eurorack) and go direct into the 3.5 mm? hole and use VST effects after. It's just for fun but get a really clean, clear signal, rather than have all the outer noises and hiss and hum recording through a mic'ed amp set-up.
mmm, dynamic acceleration ... maybe Centrino is good in a laptop.
I thought AC97 was compatible with ASIO. When I open the ASIO dialogue and sliders etc it shows the AC97 sound thingy as working. |
AC97 isn't compatible to ASIO, but it can be forced with a little software called ASIO4ALL. It still maxed out my CPU, hence the purchase of a cheap 60 000won ASIO compatible card. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Even with identical specs, a lot of notebooks throttle down the CPU while operating on battery. If you want to use your notebook for intensive stuff, leave it connected to the AC adapter for full speed. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction, when you say 'maxed out' do you mean that has the ill-effect of latency and lag? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction, when you say 'maxed out' do you mean that has the ill-effect of latency and lag? |
No problems when I played very slowly, but the sound would clip every 20 seconds or so if I played quickly or if I had many effects connected. It was apparently too much data to process. |
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