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Gopher
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: Senate Moves to Pull Out of Iraq... |
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This may get interesting. W. Bush promises to veto this. Can or will Congress override it...?
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NPR.org, April 26, 2007 � After a heated debate over the war in Iraq, the Senate narrowly passed legislation that calls for U.S. troops to start coming home this autumn.
The legislation, which passed by a vote of 51-46, sets aside $124 billion to fund the war in Iraq but also sets a clear timetable for the U.S. to begin withdrawing troops, with most U.S. troops due to leave within one year... |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Senate Moves to Pull Out of Iraq... |
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| Gopher wrote: |
This may get interesting. W. Bush promises to veto this. Can or will Congress override it...?
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No. 46 voted against it. Congress doesn't have nearly enough votes to override the veto.
(sings)
Nah, Nah Nah Nah,
Nah, Nah Nah Nah
Hhhheeyyyyyyyyy
Good bye! (in reference to said bill)  |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Do not see this as relevant to the question of the Senate's bill and the probable Presidential veto of it, Igotthisguitar.
But thanks for posting this link, in any case. Add this to the list of unorthodox behavior, I guess. I cannot think of another example off the top of my head at least of a former high-ranking official appearing on national television and publishing such a memoir criticizing the sitting president he had faithfully served until only several years ago. This Administration has simply alienated everybody.
For comparison: Richard M. Helms, who served at CIA until 1973, did not allow anyone to publish his memoirs until after he died in 2002. Same goes for Richard M. Bissell, Jr. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yah, well simply thought i throw it out here "into the mix".
What readers anywhere wanna do with it is entirely up to them 
Metta. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Senate Moves to Pull Out of Iraq... |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
This may get interesting. W. Bush promises to veto this. Can or will Congress override it...?
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No. 46 voted against it. Congress doesn't have nearly enough votes to override the veto.
(sings)
Nah, Nah Nah Nah,
Nah, Nah Nah Nah
Hhhheeyyyyyyyyy
Good bye! (in reference to said bill) |
Perhaps. However, there is a welling of reaction and emotion in the country, it seems. For example, the Democratic Convention in California is going to see more on the issue of impeachment than anyone would have predicted even two or three months ago.
We have impeachment actually spoken aloud and on the floor of Congress.
We have at least one member of Congress stating the obvious: this war is about oil.
Also, the prosecutor scandal seems to be getting under the public's skin more effectively than any other issue. Is it the pettiness of going so far to ensure party power? Is it that it shows how pervasively the Republicans and the Cadre are trying to remake America oin theor own image? I don't know. But, and this is from 7,000 mi. away, so...., the mood seems to be shifting rapidly.
If it shifts quickly enough, you may yet see an override. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Do not see this as relevant to the question of the Senate's bill and the probable Presidential veto of it, Igotthisguitar. |
I disagree. The more Americans realize they were lied to and the more they realize the extent, the more likely they are to ask their reps and senators to end the war.
Remember, there are still people out there who believe - as a direct result of the lies told by this administration - that there really was a link between Saddam, AL Queda and 9/11. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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This is the beginning of a compromise on how to deal with withdrawing from Iraq.
Gen. Petraeus is right that the loyal opposition needs to be careful of the message they send our troops and the enemy.
I hope Bush vetoes this, its a little extreme as it is. But the Dems are relying on Bush vetoing this, and its really a reaction to Bush having steamrolled every funding bill before this and getting everything he wanted. Now he'll have to come to terms with the needs of the people. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The US ought to move US forces to the Kurdish areas that way the US can gain a strategic advantage. |
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contrarian
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Joo is right. Move the US troops to bases in Kurdistan and outside of Iraq. back away for a while and let the Sunnis and Shia "have at it". Then move back in, or not, and reorganize the chaos.
Bush will veto it. It will be only his second vet. Quite remarkable really> |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Give me one reason, besides the BS, "they'll swim the Atlantic with atomic bombs on their backs," why we should not just leave? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Veto imminent; W. Bush Administration almost totally isolated...
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Weekend Edition Sunday, April 29, 2007 � The White House finds itself besieged on multiple fronts, from an angry former CIA director to an embattled attorney general. And then, of course, there's the ever-present controversy over what to do about Iraq.
On Tuesday, legislation providing emergency funding for the Iraq war will land on President Bush's desk. The funding bill includes specific benchmarks for measuring success and a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq... |
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Rice and Stepanopoulos |
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EFLtrainer
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What a waste that was. I don't see Stephanopoulas much. Now I"m glad. Didn't even attempt to catch her on the biggie and let her slide on Katrina after she contradicted the facts.
Christ... |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Give me one reason, besides the BS, "they'll swim the Atlantic with atomic bombs on their backs," why we should not just leave? |
I think because a US pull out would be seen as a victory to the jihad, giving them increased standing, and an impetus to expand the war to every corner of the world where the US has interests and muslims live. After the Lebanon war of 2006, the Hezbollah gained considerable power after it beat back Israel. |
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