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Does living in Korea make you aggressive
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Does living in Korea make you aggressive Reply with quote

I've read many threads now on Daves where people have acted aggressively towards other people because of cultural differences or the what would appear to be a build of tension over time.

I know that in my early days living in Thailand I used to find things frustrating but I never felt the urge to get up and scream and shout at somebody. I never felt the urge to be violent towards people or damage them or their property.

I had several near misses on my bikes and in my car. I always just thanked myself that I wasn't hurt or killed. I knew that getting angry could either end up with me getting hurt/shot or just having high blood pressure. I always knew that I wouldn't be able to change things.

Maybe it's different in Korea. Maybe it's the people or the food or the climate that makes it easier for foreigners to blow up and start behaving aggressively towards people.

I know that things can be frustrating and at times out right dangerous out here. It's one of the charms of living here. If people want comfort and normality that they are used to then stay home and be angry there.

It's time to relax people. All you are going to do is stress yourselves out and shorten your life. You ain't going to change anything.

Chill.

Q
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JD1982



Joined: 19 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find Korean to be very rude in general.

The rudeness irritates me and I do feel that I'm becoming aggressive than if I were back home.
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oxfordstu



Joined: 28 Aug 2004
Location: Bangkok

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a lot different in Thailand. You live there a lot longer than me, so I can only imagine how you felt coming here. Truth be told, I went to Thailand to teach because I was sick of the rudeness and xenophobia that I experienced in Korea. Towards the end of my contract I really felt angry, mostly at my workplace for treating me like shit, but that came out in other aspects as well. I wanted something the polar opposite. So I went to Thailand, and although there were frustrations there as well, it was nothing compared to working at a shitty haggie in Korea. Now that I'm back it's much MUCH better working for a public school (so far).....
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, understand that Koreans themselves are extraordinarily aggressive. Just ask the Filipinos, the Thais, the Indonesians or anyone else who's been on the receiving end of Korean tourists or businessmen. And remember that those people don't have the axes to grind that Daver-heads do. They haven't been financially ass-raped by their young-oe hagwon bosses, or propositioned by Korean cabbies, or been given the int'l debit-card/mobile phone/credit-card/remittance/etc. runaround for the 20th time by Korean bank tellers, et al. Aggressive, rude, inconsiderate, prone to confrontation, insular, hidebound, narrow-minded, provincial... and the list goes on, but "aggressive" is probably right at the top.



So yes, to the degree we're all becoming snappish and defensive and ready to start swinging at the drop of a hat, all it shows is we've gone native.
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find Korean's very "Jekyl & Hyde".

They are mostly the nicest, friendly, do-anything-for-you types........
......but then when I am driving, oh boy. They can be so rude, loud, and just in a permanent rush to go somewhere.....oblivious to other road users.

I am trying not to become Korean in my attitude and personality, you gotta keep a balance to live in harmony with a culture.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that the fact we can't speak korean, and getting into "trouble" here involves a lot of hassle carried out in incomprehensible language, with little prospect of things going your way and high prospect of things expensively not going your way,,- results in the fact that many foreigners just do not routinely express anger with the impulsive abandon they would back home. Or at least you suck it up until there is something genuinely worthwhile fighting over.

You become a passive aggressive here. Its more about patience and control, calculation and thought before act.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Korea makes foreigners aggressive, I think Korea makes everybody a little aggressive. Have you ever been anywhere where you see so much fighting and arguing in public? They aren't quiet arguments either, they are full blast. I have never seen so many fights with older men in my life than I have seen here.
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shifdog



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is the Wild Wild West of the 21st century.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
I don't think Korea makes foreigners aggressive, I think Korea makes everybody a little aggressive. Have you ever been anywhere where you see so much fighting and arguing in public? They aren't quiet arguments either, they are full blast. I have never seen so many fights with older men in my life than I have seen here.


On that note, I will share the story again about the time I was at Lotte World (actually I was in the mall waiting for my wife and neice at the time) and three women were walking across the large open area there right after you exit the subway. I was standing in front of Lottoria and suddenly two of them started arguing and they were playing tug-o-war with a purse. I'm not sure what the arguement was about, but it was pretty heated. Eventually the third women that was with them calmed them down and they left. I was a little shocked to see two women being so aggressive and mean in public.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP has a reasonable point. For instance, as a pedistrian, I'm quite vocal because cars will literally try to run you over as you cross the street.

As someone else said in another thread, all people care about is getting there a few minutes faster. If they have to literally run people down doing that they don't give a rip.

My opinion is you have to be homacidal or suicidal to drive in Korea.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifdog wrote:
Korea is the Wild Wild West of the 21st century.


That would be Thailand with it's lax gun laws and proximity to Vietnam and Cambodia for larger weapons
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
So yes, to the degree we're all becoming snappish and defensive and ready to start swinging at the drop of a hat, all it shows is we've gone native.



I would think all it shows is that tendency was already there...it just needed a bit of goading to bring it out.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:

My opinion is you have to be homacidal or suicidal to drive in Korea.


What about just walking around, is that ok? I'd like to get out once in awhile.
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TheDude
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread was cleaned up to remove to insults, swear filter dodges and the references to V-tech which have no room at all in this thread.

Keep on topic, leave the insults out.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:

My opinion is you have to be homacidal or suicidal to drive in Korea.


What about just walking around, is that ok? I'd like to get out once in awhile.


It all depends on the neighborhood. I'm going to the beach in Vietnam at the end of June and I've started working hard to get into good shape so I'll look good with my shirt off. I don't get off work until 9:15 pm, so I got a late start on a jog the other night in the Cheonho area, where I was assaulted a few months ago in broad daylight. Around midnight, the neighborhood started getting really rough with pack after pack of drunk guys wanting to start stuff during my jog. Finally, I was feeling like I was almost as crazy as Farris Hassan in Baghdad for being out in Cheonho so late and I couldn't wait to get back to my apartment. And no, I wasn't feeling aggressive. After a while, I started jaywalking whenever I was coming up on another group of guys, because I was trying my best to avoid confrontation.
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