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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Poll: Americans say Dems have it right |
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Who are the wing nuts?
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Yet the poll shows that 56 percent say they agree more with the Democrats in Congress who want to set a deadline for troop withdrawal, versus the 37 percent who say they agree with Bush that there shouldn't be a deadline. What's more, 55 percent believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible. And 49 percent say the situation in Iraq has gotten worse in the last three months since Bush announced his so-called troop surge. Thirty-seven percent say the situation has stayed about the same, and just 12 percent think it has improved.
According to the poll, only 22 percent believe the country is on the right track. That's the lowest number on this question since October 1992, when Bush father's was running for a second term � and lost. |
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spliff
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but luckily the Dems don't have a winning candidate.  And, a deadline is ridiculous...we'll have to pull out and leave the lucrative contracts for other countries. Typical moonbat thinking...take action w/ zero regards for the economic consequences. Wall street will be up all night the day of the election. If the Dems win (which I don't realistically see happening) look for the markets to take a serious blow!  |
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Saxiif
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| Yeah, but luckily the Dems don't have a winning candidate. And, a deadline is ridiculous...we'll have to pull out and leave the lucrative contracts for other countries. Typical moonbat thinking...take action w/ zero regards for the economic consequences. Wall street will be up all night the day of the election. If the Dems win (which I don't realistically see happening) look for the markets to take a serious blow! |
Yes when Bush leaves office his fiscal responsibility will be much missed.  |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer:
There is only ONE poll that matters to me (but apparently not leftists like you) and that is the soldiers and commanders in the field.
Wars aren't popularity contests, although I'm sure you'd like them to be.
CNN International, a news network even more liberal than CNN, had a segment today in which a British correspondent embedded with American troops for the past year (numerous units) reported that there was clear dismay and even growing cyncism with the politicians in Washington who are pushing for a timetable.
Now carry on with your little specious rant, Bush hater... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I see nothing in that article about those running for President. What it is about is what the American public wants, which is to end the war. If they supported the war, why didn't they give Republicans the majority in Congress?
We have Guliani saying if the Democrats are elected the US will be attacked by terrorist and others saying the markets will plunge.
It's all BS.... |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| Yeah, but luckily the Dems don't have a winning candidate. And, a deadline is ridiculous...we'll have to pull out and leave the lucrative contracts for other countries. Typical moonbat thinking...take action w/ zero regards for the economic consequences. Wall street will be up all night the day of the election. If the Dems win (which I don't realistically see happening) look for the markets to take a serious blow! |
Yes when Bush leaves office his fiscal responsibility will be much missed. |
Look at the ecomony and do you see it falling? All around the world, the economy is booming. Why do you think that is. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: Per Steve's request |
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U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
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Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay 'as long as they are needed'
While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11, most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment |
The poll was taken about this time last year, and at that point 72% of the troops thought US troops should be withdrawn by now.
I also want to highlight that a majority of troops are against torture as well, unlike Gonzales and Cheney. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
EFLTrainer:
There is only ONE poll that matters to me (but apparently not leftists like you) and that is the soldiers and commanders in the field. |
I'm certain that is why you avoided my thread on that issue.
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| Wars aren't popularity contests, although I'm sure you'd like them to be. |
Non-sequitur, straw man argument.
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| CNN International, a news network even more liberal than CNN, had a segment today in which a British correspondent embedded with American troops for the past year (numerous units) reported that there was clear dismay and even growing cyncism with the politicians in Washington who are pushing for a timetable. |
Yet, no link? Now, straw man afficionado, I'm sure there are soldiers who support the war. Heck, may even be some that love war. The issue is: there are growing numbers of soldiers and vets AGAINST the war. Do tell us how they are all raving lunatic anti-Bushies....
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| Now carry on with your little specious rant |
You need to look up the words you use: neither specious nor rant can be properly applied to this thread nor my posts on this thread. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Poll: Americans say Dems have it right |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Who are the wing nuts?
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Yet the poll shows that 56 percent say they agree more with the Democrats in Congress who want to set a deadline for troop withdrawal, versus the 37 percent who say they agree with Bush that there shouldn't be a deadline. What's more, 55 percent believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible. And 49 percent say the situation in Iraq has gotten worse in the last three months since Bush announced his so-called troop surge. Thirty-seven percent say the situation has stayed about the same, and just 12 percent think it has improved.
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Who are the wing nuts? Hmm....if those figures are accurate that would be the 55-56% figures. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Per Steve's request |
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U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
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Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay 'as long as they are needed'
While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11, most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment |
The poll was taken about this time last year, and at that point 72% of the troops thought US troops should be withdrawn by now.
I also want to highlight that a majority of troops are against torture as well, unlike Gonzales and Cheney. |
Where the heck has THIS been hiding??
Steve, look up "ass, handed to." |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Look at the ecomony and do you see it falling? All around the world, the economy is booming. Why do you think that is. |
So you're saying that the actions of the American president determine global rates of economic growth? That's a bizarre assertion. Do you have any facts to back it up?
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| There is only ONE poll that matters to me (but apparently not leftists like you) and that is the soldiers and commanders in the field. |
I find this sort of rhetoric (and rhetoric about how its bad for congress to have any say aboout what the military does) fairly disturbing. If there is anything the Founding Fathers were unanimous about it was that civilian control over the military should be ABSOLUTE. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer wrote:
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| I'm certain that is why you avoided my thread on that issue. |
Don't flatter yourself; most distasteful when acting with delusion. I don't respond to most of your threads because it's a waste of time.
But since I'm here, BLT, you can turn on your TV to CNN International. They ran two separate stories today about the troops in different units and the general sentiment of disgust with the shenanigans in D.C.
I have a relative over there who works in command and admits that some soldiers are disgruntled, especially return reserve and guard who are understandably tired of the rotation. But in the main he insists they didn't begin to get cynical until people like Reid started waving the white flag.
Ain't buying that the majority of troops in country want to fold. No way, Jose.
And you can bet your azz the Dems will try to get this showdown to coincide with the next election. It's much more about politics than principle for them. In their little debate today I loved how they tried to duck responsibility for their votes. Only Kucinich pointed that out and since he's the darling of the far left, that ought to make you take notice. But that's for another thread. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Once again Steve says, "It's all the Democrats fault."
Who led us into this war?
Who used faulty intellegence to start the war?
Where are the WMD's?
Who's fault is it over 3,000 US service people are dead?
Someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Michelle Malkin. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Once again Steve says, "It's all the Democrats fault."
(A) Who led us into this war?
(B) Who used faulty intellegence to start the war?
(C) Where are the WMD's?
(D) Who's fault is it over 3,000 US service people are dead?
Someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Michelle Malkin. |
(A) Bin Ladin.
(B) The U.S intelligence services
(C) Likely in Syria or so says Sada the former number 2 in Saddam's air force.
(D) Bin Ladin's
Anything else you need answered...just let me know.
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: re: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Saxiif wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| Yeah, but luckily the Dems don't have a winning candidate. And, a deadline is ridiculous...we'll have to pull out and leave the lucrative contracts for other countries. Typical moonbat thinking...take action w/ zero regards for the economic consequences. Wall street will be up all night the day of the election. If the Dems win (which I don't realistically see happening) look for the markets to take a serious blow! |
Yes when Bush leaves office his fiscal responsibility will be much missed. |
Look at the ecomony and do you see it falling? All around the world, the economy is booming. Why do you think that is. |
BEcause money is more important than the taking of innocent lives, either explicitly or implicitly.
Peace |
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