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Men, doers. Women, watchers?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Men, doers. Women, watchers? Reply with quote

The star quarterback and head cheerleader. This may be a movie cliche, but is it really? From business to science to sports to art, it seems like its the men doing and the women watching and supporting. It seems infact that a woman will ride a man better than a rodeo star rides a bull. Not only does she hang on to him longer, the man doesnt take half of what the bull has at the end. Now, yes, there are exceptions, but even those exceptions provide support to my thesis in this post. Take the most visible woman today, Hillary Clinton. I doubt she could be a senator, much less a presidential candidate if she didnt ride Bill to the bitter end. He flung her into the position she is in now. If her name was Hillary Roddham...no one would give a flying duck about her.

So, are men fundamentally The Doers, and women The Watchers? Do a few women who make it, even some in UPPER MANAGEMENT, somehow disprove my thesis even in the face of overwhelming support?
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Natalia



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, you really hate women don't you?
Rolling Eyes



We're sheep. We're too vain. We're not vain enough.........


We get it. Why do you need to keep making these threads?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natalia wrote:
Wow, you really hate women don't you?
Rolling Eyes



We're sheep. We're too vain. We're not vain enough.........


We get it. Why do you need to keep making these threads?


Actually I dont KEEP making these threads. I have made 2 threads about women total.

I dont have a hate on for women. Theres nothing wrong with supporting. You can either disprove me with facts or you can just flame, as you did here.

Im just bringing up a topic for debate.

And dont forget to vote in the panda poll. The URL is in my sig.
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Scouse Mouse



Joined: 07 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Men, doers. Women, watchers? Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Take the most visible woman today, Hillary Clinton. I doubt she could be a senator, much less a presidential candidate if she didnt ride Bill to the bitter end. He flung her into the position she is in now. If her name was Hillary Roddham...no one would give a flying duck about her.


Hillary Rodham Clinton is an amazing woman though, and has a greater mind that you ever will. The fact that you can't even spell her name tells me that much!

The fact that you could only come with her as a successful politicial says a lot more about your small mind than it does the achievment of women. Margaret Thatcher was one of the most powerful women in history... and I doubt any educated person would have put that down to her gobshite husband.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see more women in positions of authority and power, particularly in Korea.

I've always viewed women as equals. Its only traditional societal structures that have kept women down and allowed men to physically intimidate them into subsevience.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=85003&highlight=tossers
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Men, doers. Women, watchers? Reply with quote

Scouse Mouse wrote:

Hillary Rodham Clinton is an amazing woman though, and has a greater mind that you ever will. The fact that you can't even spell her name tells me that much!


Explain how she is an amazing woman. She is riding high thanks to the Clinton name. Again, if her name was not Clinton she wouldnt even be in the senate. One thing that Ive got to give her credit for is not letting emotions get the best of her and sticking by Bill during the whole Monica mess. She did well to stay and now she is reaping the rewards.

Gee, I misspelled her name. Tells you how highly I value her, doesnt it?

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The fact that you could only come with her as a successful politicial says a lot more about your small mind than it does the achievment of women. Margaret Thatcher was one of the most powerful women in history... and I doubt any educated person would have put that down to her *beep* husband.


Wow, You incredibly DOUBLED me! Throw in Merkel and Pelosi too while you are at it. Still that is enough successful women in poltics to count on the fingers of one hand. One flower doesnt mean its spring my friend, which is the point of my thesis here. Im not denying that there are successful women out there. Because there are a few. What I'm saying is that men dominate pretty much every field known to humankind. But also, Im saying that women are much more inclined to play the supportive role rather than lead. And guess what, thats what Hillary did.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree.
1) Women pump out the babies.
2) Virginia Woolf is not famous because of her husband.
3) Annie Liebowitz needed no man.
4) Lindsay Lohan does whoever she wants.
5) Frieda Kahlo was a much better painter than Diego Rivera.
6) Margaret Thatcher.
7) Catherine the Great.
8 ) The Dowager Empress in China during the Boxer Rebellion.
9) Elizabeth I.
10) "Though Queen Bodacea is long dead and gone, her spirit, in her children's children's children, lives on." (--Pete 'crackhead' Doherty)

So, yeah, I disagree. I think historically, and in many contemporary societies, women were pummeled into a spectator's role, but plenty rose above it. I'm glad as hell women are, in many countries at least, out from under that yoke, at least somewhat.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a million or so years of humanity shouldn't be so easily discounted. Men have ruled the roost, and women have cared for children and the home for 99.99 percent of man's history, and this is still predominately true in nearly every country in the world.

Biology is what we are. For men, it's about sex. For women, it's about feeling loved, desired, and protected. Everything else is interesting but at the end of the day, those are the things we need.

Good luck beating biology...
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Korea, when I go to my bank or the post office or many other businesses, it seems that women doing while the man are watching (or chatting with other men or falling asleep).
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Tarmangani



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote