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khyber
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The same thing might happen in Korea.
Some 어린이집's have noticed more boys and fewer girls being enrolled |
You have a source for this?
In both of the elementary schools I've taught at, grds 3-6 have about 1.4:1 boy/girl ratio but in the first and second grades it's pretty close to equal.
The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
Yet all four of the Korean couples I've known who were expecting a baby found out early in the pregnancy whether it was a boy or girl, done I hear through hints about baby clothes colours. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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Dead Bachelors in Remote China Still Find Wives
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/world/asia/05china.html?ex=1177992000&en=4208e22e066d261f&ei=5070
The rural folk custom, startling to Western sensibilities, is known as minghun, or afterlife marriage. Scholars who have studied it say it is rooted in the Chinese form of ancestor worship, which holds that people continue to exist after death and that the living are obligated to tend to their wants � or risk the consequences. Traditional Chinese beliefs also hold that an unmarried life is incomplete, which is why some parents worry that an unmarried dead son may be an unhappy one. |
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kurva anjad
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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While it may be that the sexual selection practices in China may in future skew this balance, there is some evidence that it is not responsible for it so far....
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In a recent paper, Emily Oster (2005) proposed a biological explanation for the gender imbalance in Asian countries, including China. Using data on viral prevalence by country as well as estimates of the effect of hepatitis on sex ratio, Oster found that Hepatitis B could account for up to 75% of the gender disparity in China.[22] |
Original wiki article here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Gender-based_birthrate_disparity
and the abstract of the referenced paper here
http://www.eldis.org/static/DOC18588.htm
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Wikipedia? 
It's common knowledge that Chinese abort female fetuses. Come on. Slap! |
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kurva anjad
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| khyber wrote: |
The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
White envelopes to the doctor. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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I don't know about China, but here in Korea, parents prefer boys because boys are better life insurance.
I read somewhere that when women get married, they are expected to forget about Mom and Dad's family and devote themselves to Hubby's family.
Koreans tell me this is not true.
I don't know who to believe.
The Yanamamo tribe of Venezuela and Brazil prefer boys too.
So they practice infanticide, but mostly on girls.
They need boys for warriors to fight the neighboring villages.
The reason they fight neighboring villages is to steal their women;
They have a shortage of women.
I'll let you figure out why they have a shortage of women. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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War? Really?
Am I the only one thinking this will become a gay paradise?
All they need is some kind of, I don't know, cultural revolution type thing.
No one mentioned polygamy neither. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Make all marriages on a 5 year lease basis.
That way the woman can remarry several guys. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
| The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
Yet all four of the Korean couples I've known who were expecting a baby found out early in the pregnancy whether it was a boy or girl, done I hear through hints about baby clothes colours. |
My co-worker and the entire school staff knew the sex of her child several months before it was delivered. (Another boy.)
*Surely the value of women will increase with their scarcity? Thus it will become desirable for families to have girls. They can then "sell" their daughter to the highest bidder, or increase their status by marrying her into a rich family. |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kurva anjad wrote: |
Wikipedia?
It's common knowledge that Chinese abort female fetuses. Come on. Slap! |
Hence the link to the original peer reviewed paper. Peer reviewed papers, in case you have not encountered them before, are submitted to journals, have to pass the editor and then two experts in the field before they are published. I know from personal experience of having my papers reviewed and reviewing those of others that this is generally a very robust process.
I prefer to go to them, but as I am finding out, not everybody knows what they are.
The only study comparing wikipedia with a paper encyclopedia was done by the peer reviewed journal Nature. The Encyclopedia Britannica found the wiki to be as good. Of course, since then, EB has launched a furious press campaign to reclaim their status as the gold standard.
More from Nature here
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051212/full/438900a.html
and the details of the comparison here....
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051212/multimedia/438900a_m1.html
Put that in your pipe and see if you can get it to smoke 
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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A simpler solution might be for divorce to become more common so women have a shot at more men.
The one-child policy was intended to reduce the population, and this little crisis is only going to end in reducing the population further. |
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khyber
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| The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
Yet all four of the Korean couples I've known who were expecting a baby found out early in the pregnancy whether it was a boy or girl, done I hear through hints about baby clothes colours. |
My co-worker and the entire school staff knew the sex of her child several months before it was delivered. (Another boy.)
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Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that the law was ACTUALLY followed; just that there was one in place |
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jvalmer
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What i've noticed is that Korean couples aim for 1 or 2 children. If the first 1 or 2 aren't boys, they try for a 3rd and usually stop. However, there is one male teacher in my school, who already has 3 boys running around, is trying for another, hoping for a girl.
I asked him if he had another boy, what would he do? He said he may try again. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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The Korean government made it illegal for doctors to tell the parents the gender of the child a few years ago. |
I wonder if it's illegal to get an ultrasound picture of the fetus.. They aren't that hard to read. With the ultrasound, parents could determine the sex and the doctor wouldn't have been guilty of "telling" them. |
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simone
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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I wonder if it's illegal to get an ultrasound picture of the fetus.. They aren't that hard to read. With the ultrasound, parents could determine the sex and the doctor wouldn't have been guilty of "telling" them. |
I've got about 20+ pictures now of ultrasounds, and we're not even at 4 months yet.
The ultrasound technician tried to determine the sex last time, but it wasn't defined enough yet. We saw its butt, though! She practically promised that next time, she'd be able to tell us.
Also, we've been told that next time, we can have the special 3D ultrasound, and if we want to record the whole thing, we can bring a DVD-RW or VHS casette tape.
Perhaps she's a bit more open about telling us the sex directly because (as two whiteys) we're clearly not bound by the dictates of confucianism, but my impression is the ultrasound recording is standard operating procedure.
Lots and lots of ultrasounds. In Canada, I guess you get one or two. Here, they do them to confirm pregnancy, and at every single monthly visit. Cheap, too, with national health insurance. My cousin in Canada (also preggo) is jealous as hell. |
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