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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: Koreans beat Americans in tests? |
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....high school kids are beaten on the international tests not just by kids from Belgium but by kids from MOST countries, even poorer ones like Poland, the Czech Republic, SOUTH KOREA. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
Here's a round up Nice to see UK riding high. Guess where America is Scroll down to page 5 and see for yourself.
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/30/16/33683931.pdf |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans beat Americans in tests? |
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I could not understand the chart, so I will assume this is a setup, and that you are probably trying to commit a crime, or something devious. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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what couldn't you understand? |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't you look at the high standard deviation of the US's scores. And now tell us what it means. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kids from other countries do routinely beat us. There are several interesting reasons for that, and they have little to do with the quality of education being received. Mainly it is that US kids have no real reason to care about the test. A big reason for our poor scores is kids who literally don't bother to mark their test. ESL teachers in Korea see the same response when Korean kids realize that our classes won't help them pass their university exams. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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demi wrote: |
what couldn't you understand? |
Dry humor, I think. |
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aldershot

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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i thought this thread was gonna be about HIV or other STDs... |
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krats1976

Joined: 14 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hater Depot wrote: |
Kids from other countries do routinely beat us. There are several interesting reasons for that, and they have little to do with the quality of education being received. Mainly it is that US kids have no real reason to care about the test. A big reason for our poor scores is kids who literally don't bother to mark their test. ESL teachers in Korea see the same response when Korean kids realize that our classes won't help them pass their university exams. |
RE: Korea... It might have something to do with the fact that Western education emphasizes critical thinking rather than rote memorization. When you are trained from the age of seven to take bubble tests, you're simply going to do better on them. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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The real question is WHICH Korean kids. Do you really think the Korean government would allow this sort of test to be given to a random assortment of Korean students? |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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i've heard that US teachers actually encourage bad students to take the tests, so that they will do poorly, so that they can hold the scores up as good reasons for getting more funding for education. |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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In addition, with 300,000,000 million people in the United States, it can be asked........."Where did the studies come from? Who was sampled? What age group?"
Yes, memorization vs critical thinking.
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Before you guyz go trotting out the ol' 'Americans are taught to think critically' battle horse, please look at this photograph:
For a nation of critical thinkers, it's funny those were our two best options, no?
Let's face it--Americans aren't that smart. Check out the TV show Are you smarter than a 5th grader? for evidence. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
Let's face it--Americans aren't that smart. Check out the TV show Are you smarter than a 5th grader? for evidence. |
Actually, the 5th graders usually get almost all of the questions right. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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This is news? Koreans are extremely smart, even if they have the individuality forced out of them. Americans are not so strongly encouraged to get high grades, and things like athletics and popularity get more effort. Hell, even in American schools Koreans and other Asians are usually the top of the class. |
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