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huffdaddy
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why couldn't they be used along the DMZ, especially if they are targeted well? |
Unless you wanted to take out ROK soldiers as well, it seems like a bad idea.
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Temporary strategic balance, at best. Please refer to the article you
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| site for reasons why the balance would not be long lasting, if at all |
Why only temporary?
It seems it would be a good counter to a nuclear armed Iran. |
From the article you cite:
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| The first point is the political issue. International reactions to US plans have already appeared: Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov recently gave an immediate reaction from Moscow, and serious consequences were threatened should an orbital weapon deployment be performed by Washington. Such a reaction could consist of a modified version of the SS-18 intercontinental ballistic missile, capable of putting into orbit a remarkable quantity of space vehicles - which could even carry military nukes, thus making the US's planned intercepting efforts much more difficult. |
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| However, in the long run, a military colonization of outer space could very well be started by other powers - which would hardly tolerate Washington's quasi-private use of space. |
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| As a consequence, an indiscriminate race to space weaponization could begin - involving the orbital deployment of weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons. This latter scenario could result in a problem for the US, a problem that its decision-makers in the 1960s strived to avoid at any cost. |
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| Second, political consequences of a quasi-nuclear weapon should not be overlooked. If Rods from God will be used and other powers will perceive it as the equivalent of a nuclear strike, many states could change their perception of weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons standards. A stark decrease in the traditional refrain from using nuclear bombs could then occur, thus changing the current strategy behind nuclear weapons: that of deterrence tools. |
A lot of bad consequences flow from the deployment of such weapons. I'd rather not see that can of worms opened. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Unless you wanted to take out ROK soldiers as well, it seems like a bad idea. |
The US could target a little back from the DMZ
From the article you cite:
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| The first point is the political issue. International reactions to US plans have already appeared: Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov recently gave an immediate reaction from Moscow, and serious consequences were threatened should an orbital weapon deployment be performed by Washington. Such a reaction could consist of a modified version of the SS-18 intercontinental ballistic missile, capable of putting into orbit a remarkable quantity of space vehicles - which could even carry military nukes, thus making the US's planned intercepting efforts much more difficult. |
OK a problem for missile defense but the US missile defense is not aimed at Russia anyway.
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| However, in the long run, a military colonization of outer space could very well be started by other powers - which would hardly tolerate Washington's quasi-private use of space. |
Let them (Russia and China spend the billions or more. Iran is quite far away from doing so.
besides Russia and China already spend just about as much as they can on defense.
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| As a consequence, an indiscriminate race to space weaponization could begin - involving the orbital deployment of weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons. This latter scenario could result in a problem for the US, a problem that its decision-makers in the 1960s strived to avoid at any cost. |
The world has changed. and as I said let the other nations spend the big bucks to do it. One of the reasons the Soviet Union failed was spending to much on the military.
And Iran isn't in any postion to start doing that for many years.
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| Second, political consequences of a quasi-nuclear weapon should not be overlooked. If Rods from God will be used and other powers will perceive it as the equivalent of a nuclear strike, many states could change their perception of weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons standards. A stark decrease in the traditional refrain from using nuclear bombs could then occur, thus changing the current strategy behind nuclear weapons: that of deterrence tools. |
Iran is building nuclear weapons. They are making a big to change the strategic balance already so the game is over.
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| A lot of bad consequences flow from the deployment of such weapons. I'd rather not see that can of worms opened. |
I agree but Iran is going for nuclear weapons , They can have them but they can not be allowed the strategic benefits of them.
And there is not a whole lot of evidence of restraint by other powers , and Russia has enough nukes to get the US and China is going for the same capabiltiy with SLBMS so it really doesnt matter which direction they go. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Unless you wanted to take out ROK soldiers as well, it seems like a bad idea. |
The US could target a little back from the DMZ |
Which would diminish their front line impact. How many rods would have to be dropped to wipe out the Norks front line?
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| However, in the long run, a military colonization of outer space could very well be started by other powers - which would hardly tolerate Washington's quasi-private use of space. |
Let them (Russia and China spend the billions or more. Iran is quite far away from doing so. |
Do you really want Russia or China developing space weapons? They could well be significant threats to the US in the next 20 or 30 years.
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| besides Russia and China already spend just about as much as they can on defense. |
China's economy is growing.
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| A lot of bad consequences flow from the deployment of such weapons. I'd rather not see that can of worms opened. |
I agree but Iran is going for nuclear weapons , They can have them but they can not be allowed the strategic benefits of them. |
Given that the "rod's from god" are quite a number of years away, the argument is moot anyways.
Consider this: If the US justifies attacking Iran because they violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty, would other countries be justified in attacking the US for violating the Outer Space Treaty? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Well worth listening to 
http://www.archive.org/details/jfks19610427
John F. Kennedy Speech, April 27, 1961
"The President and the Press"
American Newspaper Publishers Association.
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York, NY |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Jeff Rense supports Al Qaedas war against the US |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Which would diminish their front line impact. How many rods would have to be dropped to wipe out the Norks front line? |
I don't know the US could combine the weapons with other stuff the US has to improve the effect.
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Do you really want Russia or China developing space weapons? They could well be significant threats to the US in the next 20 or 30 years. |
No but both already have nuclear weapons and both are already signifigant threats.
Not such a huge change.
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| China's economy is growing |
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and they spend as much as they can no matter what.
Furthermore Russia and China have been protecting Iran at the UN.
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Given that the "rod's from god" are quite a number of years away, the argument is moot anyways. |
Iran is 3 years from a device , 3 years from a bomb and 3 years from putting it on a weapon.
So the US has a least some time to prepare
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| Consider this: If the US justifies attacking Iran because they violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty, would other countries be justified in attacking the US for violating the Outer Space Treaty? |
The US wouldn't attack Iran cause they violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty- they would hit back at Iran cause Iran has been engaged in a low level war against the US for a long time.
The US won't hit unless Iran does another Khobar style strike against the US.
Futhermore Iran and US have different goals. Khomenism is an sinister cause. No comparison there.
Last the ROG is not necessarily a violation of the Outer Space treaty.
and the strategic situation has changed since then.
The US doesn't have to accept Iran trying to alter the strategic balance w/o reacting.
The US doesn't have to accept war against it . |
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igotthisguitar
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Zionist Controlled Wikipedia, CIA edited Ministry of Truth.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Zionist Controlled Wikipedia, CIA edited Ministry of Truth.
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Any questions?
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Zionist Controlled Wikipedia, CIA edited Ministry of Truth.
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Case closed. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Igothisguitar is a Nazi case closed.
the only good thing is that he does post shows that his kind is still around |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Any questions?
Case closed |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Igothisguitar is a Nazi case closed. |
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