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Steve Schertzer
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Pusan
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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Insensitive Foreigners at a Sensitive Time. |
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www.ajarn.com/Contris/schertzermay2007.htm
Regardless of how foreigners feel about their lives here in Korea--- and it does come down to that--- should members of the ex-pat community waited a certain amount of time before attempting to discuss the tragedy at Virginia Tech? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Insensitive Foreigners at a Sensitive Time. |
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| Steve Schertzer wrote: |
www.ajarn.com/Contris/schertzermay2007.htm
Regardless of how foreigners feel about their lives here in Korea--- and it does come down to that--- should members of the ex-pat community waited a certain amount of time before attempting to discuss the tragedy at Virginia Tech? |
>>Regarding all the Virginia Tech threads<< http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=84702
Take it to the current events or off-topic forums where it belongs.
Yes, I can be (hell, I am) insensitive on a good day. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Free speech and discussion should not be limited by time or tragedy. Sure, sensitivity is a virtue, but if people are so upset, why aren't they mourning instead of cruising an open-discussion forum? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, the person who posted this thread only did it to link their own blog. My suggestion is if you want to link a blog is put it in your signature line like many other people do.
Second, it would really help if some people would READ the announcement thread and the topic subject before posting things. I agree with Tom, this clealy belongs in the Current Events Forum. We had a dozen different threads going on this forum for two weeks after the tragedy happened. |
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kimchi story
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Insensitive Foreigners at a Sensitive Time. |
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| Steve Schertzer wrote: |
| should members of the ex-pat community waited a certain amount of time before attempting to discuss the tragedy at Virginia Tech? |
Well, the conclusion of your argument is this:
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That many in the ex-pat community have taken this very inappropriate time to spew their venomous hatred and racism on various Internet forums is just another indication of how emotionally disturbed and socially depraved they truly are. Perhaps it is now time for the Korean authorities to take a long and hard look at just who they allow into their country.
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Well, that's pretty laughable. Tragically true, and still laughable - in a reductio ad absurdum sort of way.
This is what gets me, though:
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| They [insensitive expats] could have taken this opportunity to show understanding and sensitivity at a time when their Korean hosts needed it the most. |
To make such broad generalizations and sweeping judgements based on a few internet responses to an emotionally charged debate? Dogfarts, I say. It stinks and it prolly only made the writer feel better, if it even did that.
My answer is no. But I won't hold it against anyone if they feel otherwise.
(omg, the op wrote that article! dude, that's sensational, and I mean that in the least flattering way)
(edited to correct sloppy editing)
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| considering the amount of times the killer's video and photo collection was shown on TV, i would think that a few silly comments on the internet are not much to worry about in comparison. anyway what are you trying to stir up here? |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I, for one, think 'ol Steve-O hit the nail on the head.
Wow. I guess I'm guilty as charged.
I had an emotional reaction to one of the worst mass murders in my country's history and vented a little steam online instead of burning Korean flags and telling my relatives in the States to ban Koreans from their businesses.
Shame on me.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Schertzer, I don't know what your agenda and motivation are, but would you please do us all a favour and go back to Thailand? You're just smart enough to string an argument together in an opinion column, but not smart enough to realise how absolutely foolish it looks.
If you must stay in Korea, I suggest you try to get on a bit better with the ex-pat community here. You may need to rely on it some day, because you sure don't know Korea, believe me. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If you must stay in Korea, I suggest you try to get on a bit better with the ex-pat community here. You may need to rely on it some day, because you sure don't know Korea, believe me. |
True. Ingratiating yourself to natives at the expense of your fellow expat is never a good idea. When the cards are down, those you think might rally to your cause will leave you high and dry. I've seen it happen countless times. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't help but laugh at your article. You are quick to slam expats as "viscious" and "fools" and "emotionally charged". Who wouldn't be "emotional" at a time like that? I was! Only a cold-hearted bastard wouldn't be.
But to slam expats in general, what did you say? "Most foreigners". Way wrong. You seem to be more of a fool as you take this time to toot your own horn AND post in a forum that you've never participated in before!
Yea, people posted foolish things, but that doesn't mean they are fools! Just hurt and angry. At least this forum provides an outlet...or would you prefer a beer bottle up against a Korean's head?
Man, you and your article disgusts me. I think that last paragraph you wrote refers more to YOU than to any that actually post here. Happy foreigner hunting! I'm tired and you pissed me off...more later...maybe...
Get over yourself~ |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Shnauzer wrote: |
| the foreigners and ex-pats,... a living testament to their lack of intelligence and compassion... anonymous foreigners who continue to post their venomous hatred of Korea on open forums. They are not as anonymous as they think... These vicious and racist posters ... I feel that I must apologize profusely for the arrogance, racism, and insensitivity ... Now I feel the shame and embarrassment of being a foreigner |
You call us stupid and insensitive?
Do you think your blurb on that Thai forum counts as a measured, reasonable and considerate reflection? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If you must stay in Korea, I suggest you try to get on a bit better with the ex-pat community here. You may need to rely on it some day, because you sure don't know Korea, believe me. |
True. Ingratiating yourself to natives at the expense of your fellow expat is never a good idea. When the cards are down, those you think might rally to your cause will leave you high and dry. I've seen it happen countless times. |
I've found that fellow expats are more likely to leave you "high and dry" than Korean friends. Other people have had the same experience...there was a thread relating to this not so long ago. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Honestly, with all the scum and detritus who wash up on the Kingdom's fair shores in the name of teaching English, perhaps the OP should make sure his own house is in order first. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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They OP makes a habit of trying to suck up to Koreans by trying to make other expats look bad. I'm not going to waste my time by reading his latest "article", but from his past attempts to denegrade his peers, I know that he has no idea what he is talking about. He's that guy in high school that tries to use big words and talk about things he doesn't really know about in the school newspaper (Korean Herald) just so people think he's smart.
I really hope you are just a troll, and don't actually take yourself seriously. Nobody else does.
BTW, thanks for ruining the pusanweb forums for me, jerk. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I was here in 2002 when the girls were killed and the madness started. I was here when the whole English Spectrum fiasco happened. You know what? What goes around comes around. Many Koreans showed zero class, extreme xenophobia and racism then. Why the hell should we let this slide? Go back to Thailand, grandpa. |
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