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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Whoa, whoa whoa! (pregnancy thing) |
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Pak Yu Man wrote: |
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I'll be a good, hard working, helpful daddy, but something just freaked me out.
The mrs. said that Korean women are usually out of commission for up to a month after giving birth! Nothing. No cooking, no cleaning, nadda. Isn't a month a bit excessive? She even said that they have special hospitals to take care of mom and babe for a full month. We watched a program on the telly last night about a new mom. When pappa was around she seemed quite sick and out of it. But when granny came to cook for her, she seemed quite energetic and comfortable. Are they really that bad off, or are they just milking it?
From what I remember of my sisters-in-law back home, it was about a week that they were on their back and then, not fully back to normal, but at least plopping about and helping out.
Yes, I know she will go through hell to push Junior out and I will do whatever she asks, but really a month? |
Pathetic wretch. My wife has been in a hospital for over 4 months. Ths is due to her pregnancy. If you can't clean up for a month...then you're useless. |
While i am sorry for your wife, I'm guessing that a 4 month hospitalization is not the norm... in any culture.
If someone is on hre questioning a month or rest, because it is not the norm in their home country, I'm not sure what's wrong with that. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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We had our son in S.Korea and what an ordeal! My wife isn't Korean so we probably did all right. Fortunately, we had an excellent doctor and though I highlight some of the negatives they did a great job overall.
35 hours later and they decided to give my wife a c-section. Throughout the pregnancy the head nurse continued to put on the heat for our room, telling us that the room should be over 30 Celsius. We had a constant war to keep my wife from fainting from the heat.
Once the baby was born, they put him in a bubble container and wouldn't let me hold him. After my wife was feeling better we made sure that the baby stayed with us in our room. It was only allowed to stay with us in our room, because we requested it before. All the Koreans were confused that we had the baby in our room and that we were breast feeding it.
I talked to one of the dads on the floor and he hadn't even held his baby yet and that was 4 days after the delivery. They usually keep all the babies in this glass room until they feel that they are immunized. After, the grandmother usually comes to the house to live for a few months. This guy was telling me that after a few months he could hold his baby. They also have a lot of funny traditions.
A few of my buddies that had Korean wives had babies too. Pretty funny to see.
A few pointers,
1. Make sure your baby stays in your room with you,
2. Breast feed that baby right away,
3. Hold your baby right away and connect with it, don't let them steal those awesome first times.
4. Take the heating control away from the nurses. ha
5. Learn to say, manjijima Don't touch!
Hope this helps. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Whoa, whoa whoa! (pregnancy thing) |
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Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Newbie wrote: |
I'll be a good, hard working, helpful daddy, but something just freaked me out.
The mrs. said that Korean women are usually out of commission for up to a month after giving birth! Nothing. No cooking, no cleaning, nadda. Isn't a month a bit excessive? She even said that they have special hospitals to take care of mom and babe for a full month. We watched a program on the telly last night about a new mom. When pappa was around she seemed quite sick and out of it. But when granny came to cook for her, she seemed quite energetic and comfortable. Are they really that bad off, or are they just milking it?
From what I remember of my sisters-in-law back home, it was about a week that they were on their back and then, not fully back to normal, but at least plopping about and helping out.
Yes, I know she will go through hell to push Junior out and I will do whatever she asks, but really a month? |
Pathetic wretch. My wife has been in a hospital for over 4 months. Ths is due to her pregnancy. If you can't clean up for a month...then you're useless. |
You need to watch your tongue and learn the f*** how to read before you start throwing dirt?
Did I say I wasn't going to clean? Did I say I wasn't going to cook? Did I say I wasn't willing to do anything she asked? NO!
So shut the hell up you retarded f***erl! You don't know me, you don't know all the work I already do and you don't know the fact that I'll happily do any work she wants me to do ...
Do I think it's a scam that they stay in a hospital for a month when Western women are out in a couple of days, hell yes! |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
We had our son in S.Korea and what an ordeal! My wife isn't Korean so we probably did all right. Fortunately, we had an excellent doctor and though I highlight some of the negatives they did a great job overall.
35 hours later and they decided to give my wife a c-section. Throughout the pregnancy the head nurse continued to put on the heat for our room, telling us that the room should be over 30 Celsius. We had a constant war to keep my wife from fainting from the heat.
Once the baby was born, they put him in a bubble container and wouldn't let me hold him. After my wife was feeling better we made sure that the baby stayed with us in our room. It was only allowed to stay with us in our room, because we requested it before. All the Koreans were confused that we had the baby in our room and that we were breast feeding it.
I talked to one of the dads on the floor and he hadn't even held his baby yet and that was 4 days after the delivery. They usually keep all the babies in this glass room until they feel that they are immunized. After, the grandmother usually comes to the house to live for a few months. This guy was telling me that after a few months he could hold his baby. They also have a lot of funny traditions.
A few of my buddies that had Korean wives had babies too. Pretty funny to see.
A few pointers,
1. Make sure your baby stays in your room with you,
2. Breast feed that baby right away,
3. Hold your baby right away and connect with it, don't let them steal those awesome first times.
4. Take the heating control away from the nurses. ha
5. Learn to say, manjijima Don't touch!
Hope this helps. |
Thanks a lot for all the warnings, much appreciated. Some of them are a little surprising. I knew about the obsession with keeping babies stiffling hot and keeping the baby in a different room. Didn't know about the breast feeding thing. I'll be sure to talk about that one with the wife.
Hope all is well with you and yours! |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Whoa, whoa whoa! (pregnancy thing) |
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Newbie wrote: |
uberscheisse wrote: |
Newbie wrote: |
I'll be a good, hard working, helpful daddy, but something just freaked me out.
The mrs. said that Korean women are usually out of commission for up to a month after giving birth! Nothing. No cooking, no cleaning, nadda. Isn't a month a bit excessive? She even said that they have special hospitals to take care of mom and babe for a full month. We watched a program on the telly last night about a new mom. When pappa was around she seemed quite sick and out of it. But when granny came to cook for her, she seemed quite energetic and comfortable. Are they really that bad off, or are they just milking it?
From what I remember of my sisters-in-law back home, it was about a week that they were on their back and then, not fully back to normal, but at least plopping about and helping out.
Yes, I know she will go through hell to push Junior out and I will do whatever she asks, but really a month? |
if you crammed something the size of a HUMAN BABY out of a hole the size of a (western, therefore bigger) human *beep*, you'd want a month off.
newbie, man up. your incredulity screams "coddled girlboy" to me.
make some food. take care of your family in the tradition that 50% of it has been born into. it's 1 month out of your life. sure the local way of bringing a youngun into the fold is different, but the majority of the real work is done by the wife and her mom.
it's not you stretching your most sensitive area over a WATERMELON. so shush.
maybe sometime during the final trimester your lady can give you a crash course on how to boil water and stuff a packet of noodles into said water. |
Did I say I wouldn't cook, clean, etc.? Do you know me? Who the hell do you think you are? You piece of crap! I have, and always will, continue to do all kinds of stuff around the house. If my wife wanted to come home after birth and lay on her back, cool, I'll do everything. But laying in a scam of a hosptial where everyone is more concerened for the wife's well being than the baby's, B.S!. Millions of women around the world perform better than this Korean crap. Now, thankfully, 7-8 months after I originally posted this, I have talked my wife down to a couple of days in the hospital and then just 1 or 2 weeks at her mom's home. If she needs more after that, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
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all i was saying is that you living on your own while she goes through the motions of a tradition is hardly a challenge and your complaints sounded like some of the crybaby stuff i hear from #1 son students i have.
sorry. you're not getting much sympathy. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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When your wife delivers a baby my man...she can do whatever she feels like doing....including staying in a post-delivery hospital...
She gave birth.....thats a free pass to whatever she wants when it comes to recovering.... |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Sheesh... even on this board and on this sort of thread, people get nasty and just plain dumb.
Let me point out that differing views are OK. That differing beliefs are OK. However, telling someone how their marriage *should* be run is NOT OK.
Personally, I go with the science over the old wives tales... but I listen to the old wives tales and try to find any wisdom in them. Further, if they do no harm, but make my wife or in-laws happy, why not? Still, as an example, no way in heck is anyone taking my kid away from me for a month. Non-starter. Full stop. don't even think about it. Especially when the argument is that Koreans - all 70 M of them - are so drastically different from the other 6.5 billion people on the planet...
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Take it from me its important to build the mother-child BOND ASAP as soon as the baby is born it should be held in the mothers arms. If this doesn't occur you can cause detrimental damage to the parent child relationship. I think these traditions are outlived, Korea had a horible infant mortality rate and they adopted these traditions to protect the new borns but they were meant for the bloody dark ages when hygene was non existant and bathing was a problem. Now these traditions are plain "stupid" sorry. North America has a very low infant mortality rate and they don't have silly 300 year old traditions about birth and afterbirth care.
BREAST feeding is important WHY? Because mothers milk contains high levels of anti-bodies. Since child recieves no antibodies while still in the womb the childs imune system can be easily comprimised. This is why hospitals in the west will feed the baby donated breast milk if the mother can't lactate. Its also high in fats which the baby needs for proper development. Damn any hick on a cow farm could tell you this.
The heat its because heat kills bacteria, they are inducing a fake fever which should technicaly sterilize. Problem is that we don't live in the dark ages or Korea prior to 20th century. With current medicine it shouldn't be a problem plus women after birth have a raised imune system which will handle most bugs by itself and propigate those defences to the infant via breast milk. Remember they were writing silly hanjia on the bottom of your feet as medicine in Korea only 50-80 years ago.
This is just a plain head up your arse traditions that have no merit or value. |
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polonius

Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Pregnancy |
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Well my wife and I will be having our first in Korea. She is due in November. I have already taking certain tasks away from her. I don't want her to stress out in the early stages. So, cleaning and cooking is done minimally by her. I try to do as much as I can, but the rest, I hire a lady to come in and clean, dust, and little odds and ends.
we are both Canadian, and will have the child here. So, we will be implementing certain rules that must happen. I have heard that fathers are not allowed in the rooms. I won't miss one of the most special moments in my life. I understand that if it needs go to c-section, then things will be different. Our baby WILL be in our arms asap. Initial contact with mother/father will last a lifetime.
I Am working my tail off now, so that when the time comes, I can slow my schedule down, and take the needed time off, so that I can be there for my wife. My mom will also make the trip out, to offer an extra hand around the house.
I guess the bottom line is, we will be doing it the way we think is best. Obviously, we will listen to what doctors have to say, but in the end it will be our choice. And these are the decisions we are currently hashing out with our doctor.
Best of luck to all the new families! My wife and I wish you the best in health and safety. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Whoa, whoa whoa! (pregnancy thing) |
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uberscheisse wrote: |
Newbie wrote: |
uberscheisse wrote: |
Newbie wrote: |
I'll be a good, hard working, helpful daddy, but something just freaked me out.
The mrs. said that Korean women are usually out of commission for up to a month after giving birth! Nothing. No cooking, no cleaning, nadda. Isn't a month a bit excessive? She even said that they have special hospitals to take care of mom and babe for a full month. We watched a program on the telly last night about a new mom. When pappa was around she seemed quite sick and out of it. But when granny came to cook for her, she seemed quite energetic and comfortable. Are they really that bad off, or are they just milking it?
From what I remember of my sisters-in-law back home, it was about a week that they were on their back and then, not fully back to normal, but at least plopping about and helping out.
Yes, I know she will go through hell to push Junior out and I will do whatever she asks, but really a month? |
if you crammed something the size of a HUMAN BABY out of a hole the size of a (western, therefore bigger) human *beep*, you'd want a month off.
newbie, man up. your incredulity screams "coddled girlboy" to me.
make some food. take care of your family in the tradition that 50% of it has been born into. it's 1 month out of your life. sure the local way of bringing a youngun into the fold is different, but the majority of the real work is done by the wife and her mom.
it's not you stretching your most sensitive area over a WATERMELON. so shush.
maybe sometime during the final trimester your lady can give you a crash course on how to boil water and stuff a packet of noodles into said water. |
Did I say I wouldn't cook, clean, etc.? Do you know me? Who the hell do you think you are? You piece of crap! I have, and always will, continue to do all kinds of stuff around the house. If my wife wanted to come home after birth and lay on her back, cool, I'll do everything. But laying in a scam of a hosptial where everyone is more concerened for the wife's well being than the baby's, B.S!. Millions of women around the world perform better than this Korean crap. Now, thankfully, 7-8 months after I originally posted this, I have talked my wife down to a couple of days in the hospital and then just 1 or 2 weeks at her mom's home. If she needs more after that, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
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all i was saying is that you living on your own while she goes through the motions of a tradition is hardly a challenge and your complaints sounded like some of the crybaby stuff i hear from #1 son students i have.
sorry. you're not getting much sympathy. |
As I re-read my OP I see how it could sound that way. But, it was really just one of those "ha ha, what a scam" kinda reactions.
Not looking for sympathy or anything like that, just bringing up how it seems that Korean women go overboard, comparatively. Again, I have no problem doing all the work. |
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steroidmaximus

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: GangWon-Do
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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So many doctors on here, giving their expert advice. Here's mine:
There's a difference between what is actually needed and what is customary. What is needed is for the mom to take the time she feels she needs to get back on her feet, and to ensure that no complications can occur. She needs fresh air and needs to get up and move around after a few days.
What is customary in Korean maternal clinics is the opposite of this. I don't understand how lying around for a month in a stiffling room benefits either mother or child.
Having been to two maternity hospitals, what I saw were some mothers definitely milking it, while others were in and out.
The first hospital we went to, the nurses let me hold my first almost immediately after she was born. That moment is one of the brightest spots in my life, and I'll never forget it. The second hospital had a rather draconian bitch for a head nurse who didn't want to let me any where near my second. I checked with the doctor, and my second was healthy with no complications or problems. So I went back to hold my new baby. Needless to say, draconian head bitch lost that discussion, and I didn't see her the rest of the time my wife stayed there. I can only hope she was fired. She didn't understand the bonding thing, and was working with an outdated set of assumptions, which do seem to still be popular with the general populace.
As an appeal to authority, a group of older nurses I teach also think the one month secluded in the hospital thing is unnecessary and in fact may cause more harm than good; is from the past, and not necessary in the modern world. |
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Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Location: The Ida galaxy
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Whoa, whoa whoa! (pregnancy thing) |
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Newbie wrote: |
Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Newbie wrote: |
I'll be a good, hard working, helpful daddy, but something just freaked me out.
The mrs. said that Korean women are usually out of commission for up to a month after giving birth! Nothing. No cooking, no cleaning, nadda. Isn't a month a bit excessive? She even said that they have special hospitals to take care of mom and babe for a full month. We watched a program on the telly last night about a new mom. When pappa was around she seemed quite sick and out of it. But when granny came to cook for her, she seemed quite energetic and comfortable. Are they really that bad off, or are they just milking it?
From what I remember of my sisters-in-law back home, it was about a week that they were on their back and then, not fully back to normal, but at least plopping about and helping out.
Yes, I know she will go through hell to push Junior out and I will do whatever she asks, but really a month? |
Pathetic wretch. My wife has been in a hospital for over 4 months. Ths is due to her pregnancy. If you can't clean up for a month...then you're useless. |
You need to watch your tongue and learn the f*** how to read before you start throwing dirt?
Did I say I wasn't going to clean? Did I say I wasn't going to cook? Did I say I wasn't willing to do anything she asked? NO!
So shut the hell up you retarded f***erl! You don't know me, you don't know all the work I already do and you don't know the fact that I'll happily do any work she wants me to do ...
Do I think it's a scam that they stay in a hospital for a month when Western women are out in a couple of days, hell yes! |
Hey newb. You're right. I was having a pissy day and just jumped on you.
Sorry about the rant.
As for the month thing. My wife tells me K-women don't bathe cause is might mess up their chi. my wife doesn't believe in this crap, but some do.
After the delivery...make sure they give you the baby and your wife breast feed it. That's where a baby's immunity comes from...not sitting in a sterile room. Doctors also say you can't have fans or air cons on in the house with a new born. B.S. ...Don't have a fan or air blowing on the baby, but that's just logic. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Mine is due in late June... I'm a little worried about the heat.
I'm not a fan of AC and would rather have some nice natural breeze flowing through our place. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Pregnancy |
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polonius wrote: |
I have heard that fathers are not allowed in the rooms. |
Not true. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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None of you folks can recommend a doctor? |
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