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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Honeybee die-off threatens food supply Reply with quote

Honeybee die-off threatens food supply By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Wed May 2, 10:49 PM ET



BELTSVILLE, Md. - Unless someone or something stops it soon, the mysterious killer that is wiping out many of the nation's honeybees could have a devastating effect on America's dinner plate, perhaps even reducing us to a glorified bread-and-water diet.

Honeybees don't just make honey; they pollinate more than 90 of the tastiest flowering crops we have. Among them: apples, nuts, avocados, soybeans, asparagus, broccoli, celery, squash and cucumbers. And lots of the really sweet and tart stuff, too, including citrus fruit, peaches, kiwi, cherries, blueberries, cranberries, strawberries, cantaloupe and other melons.

In fact, about one-third of the human diet comes from insect-pollinated plants, and the honeybee is responsible for 80 percent of that pollination, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Even cattle, which feed on alfalfa, depend on bees. So if the collapse worsens, we could end up being "stuck with grains and water," said Kevin Hackett, the national program leader for USDA's bee and pollination program.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070503/ap_on_sc/honeybee_die_off
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now no intuitive alarm bells are going off re: the bees. However, should the problem persist and spread, it would only add to the Perfect Storm I've been warning about with

Peak Oil

Climate Change

Economic decline (debt, housing, oil, CC, etc.)

Middle East craziness.

Add the bees and a serious reduction in food supply to rapidly get everything seriously out of whack...

Just might be a nasty, nasty century.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I"d like to see more info. , global info. before coming to conclusions based on data in the U.S. Though we should be alarmed by that alone and start taking some measures to prevent agricultural "collapse".

I'm not fanatical about much in my life but since beginning to eat bee pollen about 5 years ago, I can't say enough about the stuff. This is what the bees collect and eat themselves and which enables them to work work work 24 hours a day. The pollen from flowers which is essentially "plant sperm". I take 2 tablespoons a day, in the morning. Regulates your metabolism and is the perfect way to lose weight properly. Also great for increasing red blood cell count, the skin too. In fact it is the only known food you could eat solely, your whole life without any problems. No other food has all the essential enzymes and vitamins/minerals.....

I hope the bees are only on vacation.

DD
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major looming food crisis.

QUI BONO? Follow the $$$.

Especially who steps forward to "remedy" the problem, offer their pre-formed "contingency plan" solution?

re: the Bees, why?

How about this: HAARP
It finally kicked into high gear just a few months ago ... hmmmmm ...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, then. The gang is all here.

Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Well, then. The gang is all here.

Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I do thank you for the ref, as I do for the earlier ref to Tenet's memoir controversy. Had never heard of HAARP before.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will I finally get to live out all my Mad Max fantasies with all this going on?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, then. The gang is all here.

Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska.


And you too are here buzzing around.

Why not address the topic?

Thanks,

DD
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khyber



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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmers are pretty ingenious; I really doubt this would go more than 2 years before they'd invent a machine that would aid in pollenating: I mean, realistically speaking, it's gonna happen.
They haven't done it yet because it's been completely useless.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmm ...

No ORGANIC Bee Losses
2007 05 06

I am quite involved with many alternative agriculture groups, and I received this email from a trusted friend ... you might want to check it out for your news section ...



"Sharon Labchuk is a longtime environmental activist and part-time organic beekeeper from Prince Edward Island. She has twice run for a seat in Ottawa's House of Commons, making strong showings around 5% for Canada's fledgling Green Party. She is also leader of the provincial wing of her party. In a widely circulated email, she wrote:

I'm on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list. The problem with the big commercial guys is that they put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites, and they feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies.

CONT'd ...

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=974
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Hmmmmm ...

No ORGANIC Bee Losses
2007 05 06



i think this is a key point to make.
that all the cases of ccd have occurred in farmed colonies that are heavily managed like any other large agribusiness.

here is a link to a good summary article that examines the many aspects and possible causes of this issue:
http://www.guerrillanews.com/articles/3063/Please_Lord_not_the_bees

it suggests that multiple factors are likely causing the colony collapse and that they are not occuring in organic colonies. these conditions mirror the sad state of our farming industry in general and relates to our overall lack of environmental vigilance.

interestingly the article makes the comparison between the bee farming industry and the monoculture agribusiness in general. similar to how relying on limited variety of crop varieties (i.e. species) and heavily managing them (fertilizers, pesticides, etc.) results in an overall weakened health of the crop species (and thus the food supply), the bee farming industry's reliance on limited variety and high management practices may be contributing to the current issue of colony collapse.
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Who should be surprised that the major media reports forget to tell us that the dying bees are actually hyper-bred varieties that we coax into a larger than normal body size? It sounds just like the beef industry. And, have we here a solution to the vanishing bee problem? Is it one that the CCD Working Group, or indeed, the scientific world at large, will support? Will media coverage affect government action in dealing with this issue?

These are important questions to ask. It is not an uncommonly held opinion that, although this new pattern of bee colony collapse seems to have struck from out of the blue (which suggests a triggering agent), it is likely that some biological limit in the bees has been crossed. There is no shortage of evidence that we have been fast approaching this limit for some time.

�We�ve been pushing them too hard,� Dr. Peter Kevan




p.s. coincidentally, the bird flu in asia should also be correctly diagnosed for what it is, a result of large-scale-heavily managed poultry industry.
caging chickens in crowded conditions in conjunction with over use of antibiotics reaps unexpected harvests.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:

No ORGANIC Bee Losses[/size]

...

They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies.


And people who stay put generally don't get foreign diseases. The pollination services is key to crop yields. Where's the problem?
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhaelin wrote:
p.s. coincidentally, the bird flu in asia should also be correctly diagnosed for what it is, a result of large-scale-heavily managed poultry industry.
caging chickens in crowded conditions in conjunction with over use of antibiotics reaps unexpected harvests.


People need to eat and need to make efficient use of land when growing food. Also a flu is a virus and antibiotics only work on bacteria. So whatever negatives there are to antibiotic abuse, antibiotics would have zero effect on flu virus evolution.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
How about this: HAARP
It finally kicked into high gear just a few months ago ... hmmmmm ...


Classic post hoc fallacy. Where is the biologic plausibility of this line of argument? The electromagnetic force drops off at a rate of something like the inverse square of the distance (force = 1/distance^2). So you double the distance, the force drops off by 4 times. Triple the distance the force drops off by 9 times. What the hell can HAARP up in Alaska do to bees in Iowa? Seriously. Why not blame it on bigfoot?
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