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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: Wait a minute.I thought fire couldn't melt steel structures? |
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Fiery crash melts part of San Francisco highway
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EMERYVILLE, Calif. - A stretch of vital highway for San Francisco Bay-area commuters collapsed on Sunday after a gas tanker truck crashed and ignited flames that shot more than 200 feet (60 metres) high, officials said.
Flames on a lower ramp melted the upper deck of a highway on the Oakland/Emeryville side leading to the double-decker Bay Bridge that connects the heavily populated East Bay to San Francisco. As the steel structure weakened, a concrete slab fell onto the ramp below.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18381649/
Where are the conspiracy theorists on this one?
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Whack jobs can make consipracies out of anything. Look at IGTG, that guy is actually mentally ill. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen lots of pictures of that accident. It is quite remarkable that the freeway took such a beating. Of course the guy was carring something like 2,700 gallons of gasoline.
I'd hate to be him though. The commute in the Bay Area is going to be messed up for months because that one intersection was destroyed. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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What idiot said fire couldn't melt steel? Besides you and huffy, of course... Taking your rhetoric lessons from Bush, et al.? Oh, wait... do you mean literally, or do you mean weaken? And, what temperature of fire? And for what length of time? And at what intensity?
And, please tell me where the redundancies are in a bridge?? Attempting to compare a bridge collapse to the collapse of a steel frame building is a little silly. Not that the event itself isn't of some intrest to engineers and such. But, hey, you might actually wait for some to write a report or something... if you were interested in discussion rather than... um... neo-con rhetoric.
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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DIS-info from the get go ...
Debunkers Use Ludicrous Freeway Comparison
To Attack 9/11 Truth
Desperation evident as thin rebars impacted by gasoline firestorm compared to twin tower's thick steel beams and concrete core
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, May 1, 2007
Debunkers have again betrayed their desperation by citing the partial collapse of a freeway bridge in San Francisco to claim that the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 has been discredited.
In reality, the comparison is ludicrous and wildly inaccurate.
Nationally syndicated radio host Neil Boortz and other Neo-Con talking heads immediately seized on the bridge collapse in unison as part of a coordinated attack on the 9/11 "Truth" Movement.
Even mainstream science and technology websites jumped on the bandwagon, "When the I-580 overpass buckled, it brought back memories of the World Trade Center," reported Wired News.
Such bold assertions were notably absent when the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid was gutted by intense fires for 28 hours but did not collapse in February 2005.
The frenzy was particularly evident at Fark.com, with posters reveling in the notion that the freeway accident had made "WTC conspiracy theories collapse as quickly as that highway did." Farkers, who judging from the website spend most of their time discussing hookers, obese lesbians and lauding a "semi-hot female coach getting it on with an underage female student," attacked 9/11 truthers for their lack of scientific credentials.
So in response to the numerous naysayers desperately clamoring for anything to stop the wild runaway popularity and growing credibility of the 9/11 Truth Movement, we talked to a physicist and a steel welding expert about the freeway collapse and why it is completely outlandish to compare it with the fall of Building 7 and the towers.
Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert, joined Alex Jones on the air yesterday to talk about the monumental differences between the two collapses.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/010507ludicrousfreeway.htm |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
we talked to a physicist and a steel welding expert about the freeway collapse and why it is completely outlandish to compare it with the fall of Building 7 and the towers.
Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert, joined Alex Jones on the air yesterday to talk about the monumental differences between the two collapses.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/010507ludicrousfreeway.htm |
They talked to Steven Jones and Alex Jones. Gee, wonder where that one is going. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert |
Isn't that like saying you're an expert in nothing? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
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Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert |
Isn't that like saying you're an expert in nothing? |
Yes but you will break ITGT's schizophrenic little heart since most of his theories are based on what kooks and quacks say. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how any idiot could really compare a collapsing highway bridge to the World Trade Center Towers. Just check the evidence and see.
In any acse, everybody knows that the ISI and the FBI brought down the Towers.  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Neither of the quacking Joneses is a structural engineer, nor a civil engineer. Neither has any education, training, nor work experience in ANY area related to structures, metalurgy, or explosives - not even engineering physics. They are true quacks.
The "truthers" have so far not been able to recruit even one qualified structural or civil engineer to their cause. NOT ONE. NOT EVEN ONE.
Get it. There is no qualified individual in the entire world who believes their crap. There are hundreds of thousands of civil and structural engineers. Where are they?
This crap was all started by some failed kids who couldn't even get into a good university, let alone graduate, let alone graduate with a degree in any subject that takes a brain.
It is also NOT true that their movement is growing. It is, in fact, almost dead. The number of people that actually believe that the twin towers were brought down with explosives is a tiny percentage.
They always cite surveys that show that many Americans believe Bush et al are covering something up. Well sure they are. But not a physically impossible conspiracy that no one but a shrinking handfull of wackos believes in.
The Bushies are covering up the fact that they were warned about the REAL conspiracy - the one planned by Bin Laden and his group - and they did nothing to thwart it. And that is what most people in the surveys mean when they say they think that the government is covering something up. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think the idea is in any disaster one can find enough unknowns and odd things to spin a conspiracy. The bridge collapse people are merely using it as a bit of parody of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts. And I don't think the nuts understand they're simply being mocked.
Here's a good one mocking the 9/11 idiots:
Uncomfortable Questions about the Death Star Attack |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I also heard that thousands of Jews in the area were told to stay off the overpass.  |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: The Road to Ithaca
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Has no one here ever heard of a Class Delta fire? I do not believe much of anything about the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of the twin towers, but I do know that anythng, even metal, can burn, if you get it hot enough.
In the Navy, a Class Delta fire was the worst nightmare we could envision, because there's not really any easy way to extinguish a fire so hot it could make iron burn. If it's a plane on a flight deck, the solution is to push the plane off of the flight deck into the sea. Otherwise -- that is, if it's a bulkhead or the hull -- you're pretty much just ****ed.
Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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daskalos wrote: |
Has no one here ever heard of a Class Delta fire? I do not believe much of anything about the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of the twin towers, but I do know that anythng, even metal, can burn, if you get it hot enough.
In the Navy, a Class Delta fire was the worst nightmare we could envision, because there's not really any easy way to extinguish a fire so hot it could make iron burn. If it's a plane on a flight deck, the solution is to push the plane off of the flight deck into the sea. Otherwise -- that is, if it's a bulkhead or the hull -- you're pretty much just ****ed.
Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science. |
The Sheffield during the Falklands war burned. I guess the brits made a lot of their destroyers out of aluminum and the fire got so hot that it burned. The wounds were very, very nasty.
Do the conspiracy loons still argue the line:
1) Jet fuel doesn't get hot enough to melt steel
2) Therefore the towers could not have fallen
Jet fuel and the stuff it started burning was hot enough to weaken the steel (which was exposed because of the impact). |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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daskalos wrote: |
Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science. |
Now you will get IGTG confused. Science? |
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