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zappadelta
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 Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: When you speak Korean... |
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| does your voice get higher? Mine does for some strange reason, and I have noticed it happening to many people. Strangee |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, and I friggin hate it. Not always, but sometimes I catch myself soundling like that and I want to punch myself in the face. I think I've really just gotta start making a conscious effort to sound like an ajeosshi or something. |
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peachgaru
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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yea... mine does, but I guess I'm not the target audience of this question, as I'm female. I tend to mimic the overly-high, feminine voices of the women in the Sogang textbook recordings.
But I've noticed that Korean guys try to speak in a deep, constant-level-of-soju-swizzlin-ciggie-smoking m.a.n. Gotta keep gender polarized in every behavior I guess. . . |
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MCSM
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you learn your Korean from girlfriends or women mostly? It is a common complaint that foreign men speak Korean with more feminine inflections due to their teachers. |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MCSM wrote: |
| Did you learn your Korean from girlfriends or women mostly? It is a common complaint that foreign men speak Korean with more feminine inflections due to their teachers. |
That's the strange part, as learning from a woman would make a perfectly good reason. (I hear a lot of that happens in Japan).
Thing is, the technical grammar/vocab stuff I just taught myself out of a textbook, and almost all of my conversation experience in my first year was with drunken ajeosshis and baeksus at Tudari (you know, that chicken on a stick chain.) I was living in Ilsan at the time and didn't have any foreigner friends, so I was actually in pretty good conditions for picking stuff up in my first year. Didn't really start any kind of relationship for about six months, and we pretty much stuck to English.
Anyways, no Korean's ever actually said that I sound like a woman or anything- just that I sound really polite or gentle. Ugh. |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| peachgaru wrote: |
| I tend to mimic the overly-high, feminine voices of the women in the Sogang textbook recordings. |
GOOD textbook. Easily my favorite of the plethora I've been through, and I have definitely run the gamut. I only discovered the 2006 editions a few months ago.
Good format, so-so content: SNU
Decent at the Early-Beginner stage: Ganada
Pure Ass: Yonsei |
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Sine qua non
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The language is spoken with the apperati of the front of the mouth more than those in the back of the mouth. Since utterances can't resonate in the hollow area of the back of the mouth, the speech sounds higher pitched. Don't worry; it means that you're pronouncing things well. |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Sine qua non wrote: |
| The language is spoken with the apperati of the front of the mouth more than those in the back of the mouth. Since utterances can't resonate in the hollow area of the back of the mouth, the speech sounds higher pitched. Don't worry; it means that you're pronouncing things well. |
That's actually a really good point. Way back when, I used to not care too much about pronunciation and wanted to "keep it real"- meaning I wanted to speak Korean but without sounding Korean (if that makes any sense.) That was a useless exercise in futility, right there. When I really focus on articulating certain sounds properly, it is definitely voice-raising. I guess now I just want to work on finding that balance where my pronunciation isn't goofy and at the same time I don't sound like a 16-year old Super Junior fan.  |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| When I speak English, if the pronunciation of some word is hard, I make my voice more low-pitched and thicker. Then, I feel it becomes easier somehow. |
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peachgaru
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
| When I speak English, if the pronunciation of some word is hard, I make my voice more low-pitched and thicker. Then, I feel it becomes easier somehow. |
my gyopo friend is just the opposite. When he speaks Korean: deep voice; when he speaks English: squeak squeak squeak. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Chillin' Villain wrote: |
| I think I've really just gotta start making a conscious effort to sound like an ajeosshi or something. |
Yes. This is what I do. But it isn't enough just to sound like an ajeoshi; as you will invariably forget to do so throughout your day. You also have to think like one to. Be the ajeoshi. All else will follow. Hhhack! Twooo~! |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| peachgaru wrote: |
| doggyji wrote: |
| When I speak English, if the pronunciation of some word is hard, I make my voice more low-pitched and thicker. Then, I feel it becomes easier somehow. |
my gyopo friend is just the opposite. When he speaks Korean: deep voice; when he speaks English: squeak squeak squeak. |
Hence, the need to lower his voice intentionally then~
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| Yes. This is what I do. But it isn't enough just to sound like an ajeoshi; as you will invariably forget to do so throughout your day. You also have to think like one to. Be the ajeoshi. All else will follow. Hhhack! Twooo~! |
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ruffie
Joined: 11 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| yea... mine does, but I guess I'm not the target audience of this question, as I'm female. I tend to mimic the overly-high, feminine voices of the women in the Sogang textbook recordings. |
I do too. It's the only way they'll understand you. You must whine, or sound really mean. I don't think they can understand each other anymore without whining or sounding mean, either.
Example - "Baegopa." Nonone understands you.
Example 2 "BAEEEEEEEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
People give you food. |
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Kyrei
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| yea... mine does, but I guess I'm not the target audience of this question, as I'm female. I tend to mimic the overly-high, feminine voices of the women in the Sogang textbook recordings. |
I do too. It's the only way they'll understand you. You must whine, or sound really mean. I don't think they can understand each other anymore without whining or sounding mean, either.
Example - "Baegopa." Nonone understands you.
Example 2 "BAEEEEEEEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
People give you food. |
That's really funny.
For me, I find that if I "yogi-yo!" in a restaurant with my normal loud voice, it gets no response, but if I do it in a gutteral grunt-like fashion, instant attention from the server. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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When I speak Korean I find that the other person simply giggles or if they are a man, they laugh. The kids will say, "do it again."
Now that you mention it, I have found my voice rising. That's strange. I'll try intentionally making it deeper to see if that produces any better results. |
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