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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| You know what they say though. You never know when you are going to meet the man of your dreams or a hot guy. Murphy's law says it will happen when you run down the street to the mom and pop mart looking all slobby. I believe in arming myself with my WMBs...weapons of mass beauty. |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, well, my life isn't consumed with trying to find a man, so I'll take my chances. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| haha...and usually it is male expats in Korea complaining about how white women don't bother to make themselves sexy...and that's why these poor guys are forced to fly half way across the world to Korea, where ladies still wear short skirts and stiletto heels. Nice one jinju. |
If you're not on your knees, right now, doesn't that mean you're sexually repressed? |
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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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princess and onesarah, I'd love to see you two together.  |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| arjuna wrote: |
princess and onesarah, I'd love to see you two together.  |
I bet you would. hehehe  |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| arjuna wrote: |
princess and onesarah, I'd love to see you two together.  |
I heard princess was a dude? |
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Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul Korea
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Women: being sexy |
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I know, sex sells...why are women so eager to sell themselves? |
Because, its what works.
Look, we've had civilization for 5000 years, romance for 250 years, the pill for 50 years. The species is about 140 000 years old. That is layers upon layers of natural and sexual selection at work. Our genes have survived and thrived because they were the fittest. That makes all of us here stupendous evolutionary badasses! And so we've evolved a highly sensitive and refined set of mating strategies in order to maximise our genes chances of continued survival.
When a man looks at a woman, he makes dozens of unconcious reproductive and social judgements about her. Is she free of parasites? Will she survive childbirth? Will she bear me healthy children? Will she stick around? Will she cuckold me?
Women spend at least some time learning how to "game" mens' unconcious judgements, whether they know it or not. Fashion, makeup, hair products, cosmetic surgery, "The Rules", whatever. Ever since that 0.7 hip/waist ratio thing came out, I think fashion has become much more focused and successful at "game".
Men, for our part, spend our time accruing status in order to impress potential mates. Its why men engage in the rat race, why men can be so competative, and why women habitually go for older men. Powerful men are atttracted to young, beautiful women, and vice versa. The game makes the world go 'round.
It's a circular argument but we're circular animals. |
Bravo! It's all about evolution and the sooner we realize this the better. Unfortunately women haven't become powerful in the past through their quick wit and brilliant minds. Nope...it's been through sex, deception, and taking opportunities when given them by a man. Fortunately things have changed in Western societies but we're still driven by thousands of years of history and genetics.
Maybe in 1000 years the story will be different, but no matter how secure a female says or appears to be, she's not. Period. We're always sizing up the competition b/c she can be just that, competition. Whether for a job or a powerful mate we always feel looks have a role, and until men change the way they evaluate women, at least partially, it ain't.
Hell, just look at the posts on this board for proof. There was a guy recently who posted on here about falling for someone online or over the phone, but when he saw her all bets were off. Example #1,500,000,0000 of what men want. They all want Betty Crocker, Marth Stewart, and Pam Anderson in 1. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Women: being sexy |
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... why do women spend such a ridiculous amout of energy and go to so much trouble wanting to be physically attractive. Yes, men do too to a degree but realistcally speaking, women are consumed by the desire to be PHYSICALLY attractive.
The most popular, by a huge margin too, women's magazines are fashion magazines
The ratio of stores selling women's fashion vs men's fashion is around 8:2 (an estimate based on what I see)
Women are obsessed by brands
It seems like women put tenfold the amount of effort into improving their outsides as opposed to improving their insides (i.e. brains)
This thought sort of coalesced in my mind yesterday watching TV. Channel after channel had some kind of show where women were basically doing soft core stripping on TV: be that singers, in videos, on entertainment shows, TV Ngels, etc. Women whose only interest is "Am I sexy and hot?". The worst was on MTV where some bimbo 18 year old American had only one thought in her mind: I want to look like Pamela Anderson so I can get naked for Playboy.
I know, sex sells...why are women so eager to sell themselves? |
Agreed ju ...
I'm more than with you on this one.
It's the shallow bait they throw out to stupid & weak men.
Almost a sickness.
*barf*
Think e.g. of what real good could be done to helping improve the lot of the world if all that time & energy was directed toward quiet charitable works.
Oh well. |
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pdx
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| but... I'm convinced that even when guys say "i want a girl who doesn't spend so much money and effort on her looks" HAD the chance to be with a girl like that (less makeup, all of the less effort), they wouldn't take it. I'd be a pretty good example of that scenario. Guys want their girls to look good, and to keep up with the oversexualization of our culture (what guys see in the media), they have always look better and better. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Lots of guysin the west say they like women who don't wear lots of makeup, but women know the first time they come to work without any, they'll be asked if they're feeling okay at least 5 times  |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Near Seoul
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| But I would easily pay more attention to a brilliant but less beautiful woman than to a vaccuous hotty any day. |
But we'd all pay more attention to the girl who was both brilliant in some way and at least more than averagely attractive.
They judge us just the same though (us guys) and that seems to have been overlooked in this thread. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of guysin the west say they like women who don't wear lots of makeup, but women know the first time they come to work without any, they'll be asked if they're feeling okay at least 5 times  |
Long time ago, after I had been in Korea for just a few months and gone home, met a woman in a coffee shop and made a date. She came to me on the park bench arranged upon beforehand - no make-up, blue jeans and a plaid flannel shirt, and yes, I kid you not, a nylon/duck-down vest. (This was not in Colorado or Montana, just to clue you, the bench was in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco.)
Fact is, I was quite insulted, though I myself had not taken any special attention to my own attire.
What was going through my mind was, "Didn't you know this is date? What, did you think I'm your brother, or something?"
Thing is, I might not have reacted that way before I had spent a little time in Korea - as it happened, whether or not she considered it a "date," it was both our first and our last time to hang out together. Yeah, Korea can do that you ... |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Bottom line guys, most adult women don't get out of bed wondering how they can lure a man. Specific guys might be that important to specific chicks but across the board, nope. Sorry to burst those egos.
I admit, I do the whole skirts, heels and makeup thing, and I like it. The ritual of it all eases me into the day(or night) and when I figure I look okay I feel more confident. That said, I'm not about to risk my ankles wearing stilettos on an icy day, or put on full makeup when running out to get a carton of milk. At the gym? If you're not working hard enough to melt it off, why bother going?
to the guys who say we judge you the same way? not quite. I'll be the first to say I enjoy pleasant scenery as much as the next person, but it's not nearly as big a factor in deciding who to date as it seems to be for some of the guys on here |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a Polly Prissy Pants or Princess who has to dress up all the time to feel good about myself. I'm athletic and strong and some men seem to find that quite sexy.
When I do dress up, I dress up for a reason. I also find the reaction to be quite interesting. Let's face it, if I dressed up every day the only direction the reaction would go is down. It just becomes a regular expected thing that isn't so exciting. On a side note, think about how an incredibly sexy woman like Holly Berry can be cheated on. Beautiful woman, but if you see that all the time, it seems to lose its sparkle....anyway....back to the topic on hand....
So, I dress nice but not all dolled up but when I DO dress up, the compliments just roll in. It's nice to be noticed but I suppose I want to choose when that happens. Maybe I'm just a subtle control freak or a great public relations person but I feel as though it serves its purpose. I know other people are aware that I'm sexy and I also know I'm around people who don't expect me to pretend in order to impress them....
Why do women put so much effort into being sexy? Because society taught us to do so.
When we are young, did we get to run outside, skin our knees and eat dirt?
When we were young, did we get to play football and basketball and get complimented for our talent and drive?
When we were young, did we fight with other kids and get complimented on how tough or independent we are?
Or did we get compliments such as "Oh! She's so pretty!" or "What a beautiful child!" If those are the types of compliments (and perhaps the only type of compliments) you get for the first 5, 6, 7 years of your life, is it a surprise that in 10 years you are STILL trying to get those same reactions in the most efficient way you can (short of walking around naked for all to see)? |
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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| Why do women put so much effort into being sexy? Because society taught us to do so. |
Choose!
Are you an individual who is free to choose, as you claim to be?
Or are you an automaton acting only on "social" programming? |
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