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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Many Koreans seem to think that we are imposing on them by making them listen to us speak Korean.
That puts us in a weak and dependent role.
When we are in a weak and dependent role, that forces our vocal pitch up to the treble register.
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| When I speak Korean I find that the other person simply giggles or if they are a man, they laugh. |
That's because they think we're cute little mascots.
A wegukin presuming to speak Korean is like a small child using big words.
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| The kids will say, "do it again." |
The kids haven't lived long enough to learn the apartheid laws.
Learning Korean is a violation of one of those laws. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: |
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I've always found it funny that Koreans will laugh at my attempts to speak to them in Korean, then use equally mispronounced English to talk to me.  |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| I used to have a very deep voice. The tone and pitch of my voice has changed since I've been here. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| When I speak Korean I lower my voice and aim for more a flat, level tone, because that's what I hear Korean guys do. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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I think the more comfortable people feel with a foreign language, the more "regular" they will sound. I have noticed this on many occasions that people who don't feel secure about their language ability use some kind of voice change (higher, softer, quieter) as perhaps a cover or compensation? I'm sure there is some theory about it, I just haven't the inclination to look it up right now.
People who I know feel fine about their Korean speak in the same tone as they do in English. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Excuse me for bragging, but I just have to tell somebody.
안녕 형아 was scheduled to show at the culture center at 2:00 today.
A few people showed up.
While we are waiting for the movie to start, I decided to learn a few words by looking up some words on a notice on the front door.
I found that the movie was cancelled for mechanical failure.
I alerted the other people, they thanked me, and left.
After all the times that fluent English-speaking Koreans have told me what a pest I was,
it is nice to know that I could actually benefit someone. |
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Lao Wai
Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: East Coast Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
I think the more comfortable people feel with a foreign language, the more "regular" they will sound. I have noticed this on many occasions that people who don't feel secure about their language ability use some kind of voice change (higher, softer, quieter) as perhaps a cover or compensation? I'm sure there is some theory about it, I just haven't the inclination to look it up right now.
People who I know feel fine about their Korean speak in the same tone as they do in English. |
I think you're right to a point but I find that English intonation sounds 'wrong' when speaking Korean. On the ocassions that I've tried to make my voice sound like an ajeoshi when speaking Korean I've gotten big compliments from Koreans. I've actually fooled them into thinking I was Korean a few times when I've lowered my voice to ajeoshi tones and spoke a bit more 'clipped' than usual (This was on the telephone or when they could hear me but I was out of sight).
The tone of my voice does tend to go up though when I speak a foreign language. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Excuse me for bragging, but I just have to tell somebody.
안녕 형아 was scheduled to show at the culture center at 2:00 today.
A few people showed up.
While we are waiting for the movie to start, I decided to learn a few words by looking up some words on a notice on the front door.
I found that the movie was cancelled for mechanical failure.
I alerted the other people, they thanked me, and left.
After all the times that fluent English-speaking Koreans have told me what a pest I was,
it is nice to know that I could actually benefit someone. |
good on you man |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| Lao Wai wrote: |
I think you're right to a point but I find that English intonation sounds 'wrong' when speaking Korean. On the ocassions that I've tried to make my voice sound like an ajeoshi when speaking Korean I've gotten big compliments from Koreans. I've actually fooled them into thinking I was Korean a few times when I've lowered my voice to ajeoshi tones and spoke a bit more 'clipped' than usual (This was on the telephone or when they could hear me but I was out of sight).
The tone of my voice does tend to go up though when I speak a foreign language. |
I guess what I meant was not English intonation for speaking Korean, but using the same pitch when you speak English. I don't change the quality of my voice in any way any more, but I used to when I didn't feel good about my Korean ability.
It's good to use all things Korean when trying to speak Korean, especially when you want to be understood.
Tomato, good for you. But is it enough for you to finally get over this issue? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Tomato, good for you. But is it enough for you to finally get over this issue? |
No doubt.. Tomato, what you need to do is get on Korean Cupid or UB Love or something and put up 'waygugine hangugeo sillyeogeul chingchanhal yeoja chajgoreul isseum. (Yongoro yuchanghage malhal suga isseumyeon dapjang hajimaseyo!!!!) No fatties.' You'll be good to go, partner. |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| I speak Korean in the deep growl ascending to a bark favored by middle-aged men in historical K-dramas. It works wonders when you need service in a restaurant. I'm working on the fake beard and mustache right now. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. Always. Weird. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| I never speak Korean. I like to speak English and if they don't understand, I keep repeating whilst gradually raising the volume of my voice and slowing the tempo of my speech. If this doesn't work, I then start waving my hands about to further illustrate the point. |
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