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MULTICULTURALISM: THE NEW CHALLENGE TO WOMEN'S RIGHTS?
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:19 am Post subject:

jinju wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

Yes, jinju, while you're teaching your brats that arabs and iranians are the vile untermenchen that require extermination, I'll be teaching my kids to view arabs and iranians with the same respect they'd show Jews, Americans or Brits.

Way to put words in my mouth, you pathetic _______.

Oh yeah...sorry. That's usually your modus operandi. Rolling Eyes

A fervent advocate of nuking Iran wrote:

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Because you are so full of racist hate,

Im full of racist hate? Sorry bb, the hate Im full of has nothing to do with race but actions. Terrorism isnt a race, its a set of clearly defined actions. It is not my fault that the vast majority of terrorists come from a particular religious faith, though I dont classify all those of that faith as terrorists. I dont hate muslims, but I do hate the crap set of beliefs that lead many of them to commit acts of terrorism.

You have told me before about how you would absolutely love to nuke Iran. Not only do you advocate it, you openly relish it. No sympathy there for innocent Iranian civillians. When I wrote that I had some muslim friends, you accused me of hanging out with terrorists. That is because you equate muslims with terrorists. Apparently they can never be mutually exclusive.

ignoramus wrote:

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for me to see a jewish life as being of equal value to an arab life means I must be antisemitic. Otherwise, how could I view a Jew as lowly as an Arab? Want to know what a racist looks like? Stroll over to your bathroom mirror, jinju.

See, but you dont.

Actually I do. It's entirely the fact that you've read my posts through such racist lens that you have come to any other conclusion.

Nincompoop wrote:

Never have I seen you actually condemn Islamofascists for their terrorism. But I have seen you time and time again condemn Israel for doing what it needs to do to survive.

Just because you have never seen me do it, doesn't mean I don't. For the record I am appalled by any attrocity committed on civillians. However, unlike you, I am also appalled when those civillians are not Americans Brits or Israelis. When I say Israelis, I should qualify that by saying Israeli Jews, because I am sure you have no problems when Israeli Arabs are murdered or maimed.

As for Israel doing what 'it needs to do to survive', that is a contentious issue, even among Israeli Jews. The majoritiy of Israelis no longer believe that the recent willy nilly slaughter of Lebanese civillians last summer was necessary for Israel 'to survive.' On the other hand, I certainly defend any peoples right to use armed resistance against their occupiers, even when those occupiers are nice white people like Israelis.

A snivelling little racist wrote:

Im not accussing you of antisemitism.

Yes you are. And quite blatantly.

A sick little hypocrit wrote:

See, you can tell us things but we all know the deal: you are an vile antisemite, your hatred for Israel has actually lad you to ally yourself with Hezbollah.

Just your saying that I am an antisemite does not make it so. Just me saying that you are a vile little racist sexist homophobic little creep doesn't make it so. However, you are. I do not feel hatred for Israel. I have never advocated that Israel be nuked (as you have similarly advocated for Iran). I do not wish to see ill come of Israel. Rather, I believe that Israel should stop oppressing Arabs. What strange logic equates that with 'hating Israel.' Secondly, I do not necessarily 'ally myself with Hezbollah.' Rather I do not hypocritically condemn their violence while ignoring the devastation wrought by Israelis (with British and American complicity) on the indigenous populations of the Middle East.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:46 am Post subject:

Big Bird chirped:

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Do you really think she was pandering to muslims?

Indirectly or subconciously, yes I do. As Chingo explained:

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I'm wondering if this German judge isn't trying to make up for the sins of her country's past? Germany was after all trying to shove white supremacy and western ideas down everyone's throat less than a century ago. Maybe a majority of Germanys today have tons of guilt about that and so have lost sight of what's truly right in regards to dealing with minorities and other religions? They're letting these people get away with too much because of history and "white" guilt???....Just a thought.

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Or do you think, more likely, she had a contemptuous view of the woman for marrying a muslim, and felt she'd 'got what she deserved.

That's quite a stretch of logic. Trying to comform the situation to your own view as an enabler. Nice work. Rolling Eyes

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:49 am Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

Oh yeah...sorry. That's usually your modus operandi. Rolling Eyes

No, but when liars lie I set them straight

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You have told me before about how you would absolutely love to nuke Iran.

I would use tactical nukes where necessary. I wouldnt push for it nor would I shy away from it.

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Not only do you advocate it, you openly relish it. No sympathy there for innocent Iranian civillians.

I advocate defeating enemies of democracy, freedom and enlightenment. Iranians have a choice. Ahmababa's government or us.

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When I wrote that I had some muslim friends, you accused me of hanging out with terrorists. That is because you equate muslims with terrorists. Apparently they can never be mutually exclusive.

Tell the whole story, liar. You also said those friends of yours were happy about 9/11 and supported extremists. That in conjunction with your love of Hezbollah, your rabid anti0-semitism and anti-Americanism leads not only me to make conclusions about you.

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Just because you have never seen me do it, doesn't mean I don't.

Ahhh, nice try, Hezbollah lover.

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For the record I am appalled by any attrocity committed on civillians.

Says a HEZBOLLAH lover.

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Just your saying that I am an antisemite does not make it so.

Reading your posts makes it clar as day that you are.

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I do not feel hatred for Israel.

This is as funny and ridiculous as you claiming in the SAME DAMN THREAD WHERE YOU HAD VIRTUALLY DECALERD YOUR UNDYING SUPPORT FOR CHAVEZ that you simply supported Venezuela's right to freely elect whoemever.

Ill spell it out for you, you pathetic little coward: YOU SUPPOR HEZBOLLAH. Hezbollah is set on destroying Israel. Yet you claim not to hate Israel?

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I do not wish to see ill come of Israel.

You support Hezbollah.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:29 am Post subject:

A follow up.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,473017,00.html

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The husband was forced to move out, but the terror continued: Even after they separated, the spurned husband threatened to kill his wife.

Sadly, I don't believe divorce is going to solve her problem. It's a problem that exists in the monocultural heart of America as well, so don't get all worked up about the violence of Islam.

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On Wednesday, after the Tuesday evening publication of the story on SPIEGEL ONLINE, the attorney received a fax from the Frankfurt court granting the conflict of interest claim and excusing the judge from the case.

Still, it is unlikely that the case will be heard again before the mandated year of separation expires in May. But the judge who heard the case may have to face further consequences for her decision. On Wednesday, numerous politicians in Berlin voiced their horror at the verdict -- and demanded disciplinary action against the judge.

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This isn't the first time that German courts have used cultural background to inform their verdicts. Christa Stolle of the women's rights organization Terre des Femmes said that in cases of marital violence, there have been a number of cases where the perpetrator's culture of origin has been considered as a mitigating circumstance -- although such verdicts have become seldom in recent years.

I'm sure we could pull out a long file of stupid judicial decisions that have nothing to do with "multiculturalism." Pulling out an example of something that few, if any, self described "multiculturalists" would defend doesn't really prove anything about the "evils" of "multiculturalism."

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

Unlike you Huff-n-Puff Daddy, I've lived in Germany, speak the language proficiently, and visit often. Your comment that this sort of thing is sporadic and therefore not indicative of a multicultural agenda is willful and ignorant. But don't let that stop you from spouting off, Kim Jong Il.

khyber

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject:

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Sadly, I don't believe divorce is going to solve her problem. It's a problem that exists in the monocultural heart of America as well, so don't get all worked up about the violence of Islam.

I think it's more a problem that exists in that psycho's head.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

jinju wrote:

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When I wrote that I had some muslim friends, you accused me of hanging out with terrorists. That is because you equate muslims with terrorists. Apparently they can never be mutually exclusive.

Tell the whole story, liar. You also said those friends of yours were happy about 9/11 and supported extremists.

Now, you are not telling the full story. You are chronologically challanged. Before I mentioned that I knew two guys who had sympathy for jihadists (not sure if they specifically supported 911 or not) , you had already accused me of hanging out with terrorists after learning I had muslim friends. Then when I mentioned these two men, I pointed out that they were not my friends, and that my muslim friends had no love for them either. So you are completely distorting my words - as usual.

A truly intellectually challenged little thug wrote:

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Ill spell it out for you, you pathetic little coward: YOU SUPPOR HEZBOLLAH. Hezbollah is set on destroying Israel. Yet you claim not to hate Israel?

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I do not wish to see ill come of Israel.

You support Hezbollah.

If Hezbollah invades Israel (which it so far hasn't) and tries to occupy her, I completely support the right of Israelis to repel Hezbollah using whatever means possible. Likewise, if Israel ivades and occupies Shiite Lebanon (which it has) I completely support the right of the Shiite Lebanese to repel their invaders/occupiers by whatever means they can. There is no double standard here.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Unlike you Huff-n-Puff Daddy, I've lived in Germany, speak the language proficiently, and visit often.

Good for you. Now, if I actually felt you had an ounce of objectivity in your creaky old bones, or I had an iota of respect for your opinion, that information might be meaningful. Since neither is the case, it doesn't really do either of us any good.

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Your comment that this sort of thing is sporadic and therefore not indicative of a multicultural agenda is willful and ignorant.

It wasn't my comment that this sort of thing is sporadic (exact word was seldom). Learn how to read the quotes.

This is an interesting summary of multiculturalism:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l800871577132122/

One paragraph in particular stands out as concurring with my vision of multiculturalism.

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Multiculturalism entails two opposite visions, articulated by its respective proponents and opponents: syncretism and fragmentation. The syncretist vision is eloquently outlined by Salman Rushdie, who sees mass migration as a possibility to "(celebrate) hybridity, impurity, intermingling, the transformation that comes from new and unexpected combinations of human beings, cultures, ideas, politics, movies, songs," the migrant condition as a "metaphor for all humanity." In this benign vision, multiculturalism realizes the old enlightenment dream of the unbounded "perfectibility of the human race." The postcolonial literary imagination of Rushdie or Vikram Seth, popular "world music," or the vibrant art world of Los Angeles give a hint of the syncretist riches of multiculturalism.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:

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That's exactly what multiculturalism is. A poorly conceived, idealistic, social experiment, and one that is going horribly wrong in Europe.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject:

bigverne: See, what CocoaPuff Daddy and other m/c enablers on this thread fail to recognize or just plain devalue is the trend toward minority immigrant cultures actually replacing or denigrating the host European culture, except it is being done with the blessings of the hood-winked. At the very least, these cultures have become privileged. Nothing of same sort would ever happen if Europeans were to settle in their home countries, you can be sure of that. By the way, I hope the socialist party finally gets trounced in France. That will send a strong signal to Germany and England, at least one would hope. "Creaky bones" at 51, Daddy? Nothing like a little hyperbole. I bike 8 kilometres up and down hills almost every day while you probably take mass transit, cream puff.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:36 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

the trend toward minority immigrant cultures actually replacing or denigrating the host European culture,

Oh, the irony of Americans teaching English in Asia bemoaning the influence of immigrant groups. How's the kimchi going down, stevie?

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"Creaky bones" at 51, Daddy? Nothing like a little hyperbole. I bike 8 kilometres up and down hills almost every day while you probably take mass transit, cream puff.

Your driver's license may say 51, but your posts say 81.

And btw, I biked over 250 km this week, including 60 today. You're welcome to come out for a ride anytime. I know several little fishing ports that are nice to visit.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject:

HuffDaddy:

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Oh, the irony of Americans teaching English in Asia bemoaning the influence of immigrant groups. How's the kimchi going down, stevie?

I don't bemoan teaching in Asia--only in Korea. Let's be clear about that. I'm here very reluctantly, as I said before. I don't like Korea much, something I make no bones about. I have half a dozen friends with extensive teaching experience in Asia who feel the same way.

What does age have to do with one's political views. The only line of demarcation I acknowledge is the one Churchill made:

"A man who's not a liberal when 20 has no heart. A man who's not a conservative when 40 has no head."

I don't for a minute believe you bike 250 km. a week. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it plausible.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject:

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Oh, the irony of Americans teaching English in Asia bemoaning the influence of immigrant groups. How's the kimchi going down, stevie?

Not really ironic at all, since there really is no comparison between mass immigration to the West and the relatively small number of English teachers in Asia, most of whom have very few legal rights to gain citizenship or residency, let alone bring over their entire extended families, and who in no way impinge on the cultural homogeneity of their respective host nations. The West could learn a thing or two from Korean and Japanese immigration policies.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:41 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

HuffDaddy:

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Oh, the irony of Americans teaching English in Asia bemoaning the influence of immigrant groups. How's the kimchi going down, stevie?

The irony is that you don't feel it's acceptable for others to bring their culture to America, but you seem to have no problem bringing yours to them.

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What does age have to do with one's political views.

It's not the politics, it's the presentation.

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The only line of demarcation I acknowledge is the one Churchill made:

"A man who's not a liberal when 20 has no heart. A man who's not a conservative when 40 has no head."

Considering I'm not 40, this doesn't apply to me, yet. I'm guessing you weren't a liberal at 20. So what does that say about you?

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I don't for a minute believe you bike 250 km. a week. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it plausible.

Whatever. I don't ride 250 km every week, but this week has been nice and I've had some free time. I rode another 56 today.

bigverne wrote:

and who in no way impinge on the cultural homogeneity of their respective host nations.

You're saying the West hasn't influenced Korean and Japanese culture? Uh, yeah, sure thing.

ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:16 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

A follow up.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,473017,00.html

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The husband was forced to move out, but the terror continued: Even after they separated, the spurned husband threatened to kill his wife.

Sadly, I don't believe divorce is going to solve her problem. It's a problem that exists in the monocultural heart of America as well, so don't get all worked up about the violence of Islam.

Are you calling America monocultural? Seriously? Please name a country with more different cultures and races.

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