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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea
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Wonder if race plays a part in the plaintiff's motivation. He is apparently an African-American (saw him in a video report on CBS online) and they are Korean. I think it is clear to many of us ( I'm white, BTW ) the way many Koreans, especially those in the U.S., feel toward and act toward "hook-in salam(s)". They may have dissed him the wrong way and he's teaching them a lesson they won't soon forget.
It should be noted that they didn't just lose one pair of his pants, but rather . . from my reading of the story . . three? . . at least two . . and on separate occasions, in a period ranging from 2002 - 2005. He obviously showed restraint in 2002. What changed his mind by 2005?
My vote: They dissed him in a bad way.
If that's the case, . . . they're getting a lesson they deserve.
(As I try to imagine what ticked the guy off this much, . . . I recall the times I, as a foreigner in Korea, received poor service or smaller portions at restaurants that didn't want foreigner to start frequenting their place. There really may be more to this story than meets the press reports.) |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
Wonder if race plays a part in the plaintiff's motivation. He is apparently an African-American (saw him in a video report on CBS online) and they are Korean. I think it is clear to many of us ( I'm white, BTW ) the way many Koreans, especially those in the U.S., feel toward and act toward "hook-in salam(s)". They may have dissed him the wrong way and he's teaching them a lesson they won't soon forget.
It should be noted that they didn't just lose one pair of his pants, but rather . . from my reading of the story . . three? . . at least two . . and on separate occasions, in a period ranging from 2002 - 2005. He obviously showed restraint in 2002. What changed his mind by 2005?
My vote: They dissed him in a bad way.
If that's the case, . . . they're getting a lesson they deserve.
(As I try to imagine what ticked the guy off this much, . . . I recall the times I, as a foreigner in Korea, received poor service or smaller portions at restaurants that didn't want foreigner to start frequenting their place. There really may be more to this story than meets the press reports.) |
Mmmmmmm.... Could be! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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The guy (plaintif) is obviously total jerk and is abusing the legal system by refusing to accept reasonable offers made to settle the case.
Part of his calculation of damages is the cost of his renting a car to find another dry cleaners - as if it were his constitutional right to have a cleaners situated within walking distance ...
Regardless of any customer service/attitudinal deficiency on the part of the Korean couple, the "judge" should be disbarred for profound lack of legal sense... |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
Wonder if race plays a part in the plaintiff's motivation. He is apparently an African-American (saw him in a video report on CBS online) and they are Korean. I think it is clear to many of us ( I'm white, BTW ) the way many Koreans, especially those in the U.S., feel toward and act toward "hook-in salam(s)". They may have dissed him the wrong way and he's teaching them a lesson they won't soon forget.
It should be noted that they didn't just lose one pair of his pants, but rather . . from my reading of the story . . three? . . at least two . . and on separate occasions, in a period ranging from 2002 - 2005. He obviously showed restraint in 2002. What changed his mind by 2005?
My vote: They dissed him in a bad way.
If that's the case, . . . they're getting a lesson they deserve.
(As I try to imagine what ticked the guy off this much, . . . I recall the times I, as a foreigner in Korea, received poor service or smaller portions at restaurants that didn't want foreigner to start frequenting their place. There really may be more to this story than meets the press reports.) |
Perhaps, but the man is still a judge. Someone in his position shouldn't be doing things like this.
I hope the judge gets disbarred (can this happen to judges?).
And anyways, if they already lost two pairs of his pants, why would he still go back to the same cleaners. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think it depends on which level of the judicial system. On the state/local level the system is definitely broken. Anyone with money to afford a good lawyer can get off or wlak away with a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile the same people who can't afford a good lawyer get the book thrown at them.
However at the higher levels, Appellate and Supreme court levels, the judicial system works as intended.
The only thing I disagree with is the lifelong terms of judges. I think judges should have a little more accountability than the system in place right now.
The only exception being Supreme Court judges. |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I know for a fact that the system is broken. Before I came back to Korea, I visited one of my close friends in prison. He was accused of sleeping with a 14year old. Completely denies it to this day, but because of the f#cX up judicial system and a horrible court appointed attorney, he's serving a 12 year sentence. What a joke! He's also particularly bitter about the fact that once you're incarcerated they do everything they can to keep you locked up by making if difficult for appeals.
I get furious everytime I think about it!!!  |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
Wonder if race plays a part in the plaintiff's motivation. He is apparently an African-American (saw him in a video report on CBS online) and they are Korean. I think it is clear to many of us ( I'm white, BTW ) the way many Koreans, especially those in the U.S., feel toward and act toward "hook-in salam(s)". They may have dissed him the wrong way and he's teaching them a lesson they won't soon forget.
It should be noted that they didn't just lose one pair of his pants, but rather . . from my reading of the story . . three? . . at least two . . and on separate occasions, in a period ranging from 2002 - 2005. He obviously showed restraint in 2002. What changed his mind by 2005?
My vote: They dissed him in a bad way.
If that's the case, . . . they're getting a lesson they deserve.
(As I try to imagine what ticked the guy off this much, . . . I recall the times I, as a foreigner in Korea, received poor service or smaller portions at restaurants that didn't want foreigner to start frequenting their place. There really may be more to this story than meets the press
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You're projecting. The guy actually has a history of this sort of thing, he was fined $12K for the way he conducted his divorce proceedings. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
Wonder if race plays a part in the plaintiff's motivation. He is apparently an African-American (saw him in a video report on CBS online) and they are Korean. I think it is clear to many of us ( I'm white, BTW ) the way many Koreans, especially those in the U.S., feel toward and act toward "hook-in salam(s)". They may have dissed him the wrong way and he's teaching them a lesson they won't soon forget.
It should be noted that they didn't just lose one pair of his pants, but rather . . from my reading of the story . . three? . . at least two . . and on separate occasions, in a period ranging from 2002 - 2005. He obviously showed restraint in 2002. What changed his mind by 2005?
My vote: They dissed him in a bad way.
If that's the case, . . . they're getting a lesson they deserve.
(As I try to imagine what ticked the guy off this much, . . . I recall the times I, as a foreigner in Korea, received poor service or smaller portions at restaurants that didn't want foreigner to start frequenting their place. There really may be more to this story than meets the press reports.) |
Interesting possibility. I have had brand new shirts, pants, Saucony running shoes, and ties lost by EVERY laundry shop/dry cleaner I've patronised to date in Korea. In nearly every instance, I had witnesses, too, but they were foreigners and we know how the courts here treat foreign residents of this place.
Why just the other day, a dry cleaner dinged me for 25 thousand for four shirts and a jacket.
By the way, do you think that 80 thousand for cleaning a little floor and six tiny shelves is a reasonable price to pay in Korea?
Go to any market and watch foreigners pay the foreigner price - just like in Taiwan, China and the rest of the continent.
Yeah, this might be a case of Koreans finally pushing this black guy over the edge but I doubt it. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| gopher, it is our "gun culture which prevents this country from ever falling to fascist rule. and America is FAR from "repressed" |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| gopher, it is our "gun culture which prevents this country from ever falling to fascist rule. and America is FAR from "repressed" |
THANK YOU!!!
But with TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND gun laws I reckon the gov't is slowly but surely trying to take THAT right away from us too... |
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