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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: "...we'll trash everything" |
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Slipping in the polls ahead of France's presidential vote on Sunday, Socialist Segolene Royal launched a last-minute broadside against right-winger Nicolas Sarkozy, warning his election would unleash violence across the country.
In her most outspoken attack yet on Sarkozy's "dangerous candidacy", Royal said she had a "responsibility to issue an alert over the risks ... regarding the violence and brutalities that will be triggered across the country. Everyone knows it but no-one says it. It is a kind of taboo."
Her comments Friday on RTL radio were taken as a direct warning to voters that a Sarkozy victory on Sunday could set off riots in the high-immigration suburbs similar to ones in November 2005.
Royal was immediately rebuked by Sarkozy's campaign headquarters, which described her remarks as "unacceptable and irresponsible."
"In a democratic debate, one cannot simply hold out threats and intimidations with the aim of persuading voters to choose another candidate," said spokeswoman Rachida Dati.
Sarkozy said Royal's attacks were "outrageous" and prompted by her worsening position in the polls. "She is getting tense, stiffer, because she feels the ground shifting," he said.
Two polls issued Friday local time put Sarkozy on 55 per cent and Royal on 45 -- his biggest lead yet. |
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/royal-warns-of-poll-violence/2007/05/05/1177788448245.html
Fear, as a tool of manipulating voters, is a left-French trait as well as a right-American trait. Maybe just a government trait.
Either way, she is right. Maybe. If Sarkozy is elected, the suburbs might erupt.
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| Tony Essono, 32, an unemployed economist whose parents emigrated from Cameroon before he was born, said that despite years of anger and discrimination, people in La Courneuve were willing to put their faith in the ballot box "because they understand they can change something" by voting. But, he added, "if Sarkozy is elected, it means we haven't been heard, and we'll trash everything." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/03/AR2007050302255_pf.html
Third world France will no longer allow first world France to freely elect who they please without violent consequence. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| This time send the troops with live ammo into the suburbs. Open fire and clean house. Oh, "but thats mureder" will cry the lefties...you know what? I couldnt give a crap. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Anyways.
I think this is remarkable. The French are able to take economic migrants who would likely prosper in the US/UK/Canada/Sing etc and screw with their minds so much that the election of a man who could help them prosper is met with threats of violence. Sarko might be a jerk, but he would be a liberalizing jerk.
Shooting up the 'burbs is hardly the answer.
The solution to these woes is hard-core union busting, employment regulation burning, liberalizing madness. The immigrants are structurally kept out of the economy. Until the economy is changed, and they are allowed to participate, France will not be at peace. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Riot alert for Sarkozy victory
Matthew Campbell in Paris
Thousands of riot police will be deployed in Paris tonight after warnings that victory for Nicolas Sarkozy, the conservative candidate in today�s presidential election, could spark violent protests.
Fears of a repeat of the rioting that swept France two years ago intensified as the final opinion polls pointed to an overwhelming victory for Sarkozy. A crowd of up to 40,000 Sarkozy supporters was expected on the Champs Elys�es in central Paris to celebrate the result. Police believe that gangs of youths from the suburbs might confront them.
Sarkozy has promised a �fraternal� republic but said last week that he did not regret having described young delinquents as �scum� in 2005 in remarks widely believed to have ignited the rioting.
The interior ministry said that 8,000 riot police were being placed on stand-by in the suburbs � equivalent to the force deployed at the height of the violence, when 10,000 cars and dozens of businesses were burnt in three weeks of mayhem.
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Sarkozy, 52, a Hungarian immigrant�s son who wants to modernise France, enjoyed a nine-point lead over S�gol�ne Royal, 53, the Socialist candidate, in one of the last polls taken before the second and final round of voting. In a desperate effort to catch up with him, Royal, the first woman to reach the second round, warned that Sarkozy would trigger �violence and brutality� and was a �dangerous� choice for France.
She was playing on her rival�s reputation as a hate figure among minorities in the suburbs because of his �zero tolerance� crackdown, as interior minister, on crime and illegal immigrants.
Jean-Pierre Brard, mayor of Montreuil, a Paris suburb with a high immigrant population, warned: �There are reasons to be vigilant. Young people are effectively wound up like alarm clocks against Sarkozy.� |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Not only that, but Stephen Harper will control Canada with Armed Forces in the streets of Canadian cities. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Shooting up the 'burbs is hardly the answer. |
Its part of the answer.
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| The solution to these woes is hard-core union busting, employment regulation burning, liberalizing madness. The immigrants are structurally kept out of the economy. Until the economy is changed, and they are allowed to participate, France will not be at peace. |
That goes without saying but this doesnt address the issue of violent scum. You could have the most open society and these guys would still be urged to violence in the mosques.
The way to seal with these people is simple.
1. Announce that no matter what the result, if there is riotting it will be dealt with harshly.
2. How harshly?
a. Strong showing by the police. This includes shooting the most violent riotters.
b. mass arrests.
c. harsh penalties that would include: stripping people of residency status/citizenship, mass deportations. Infact anyone found to be involved in riotting should be thrown out of France and have their property confiscated. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| we'll trash everything.... |
They have been trying!
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PARIS (Reuters) - Hundreds of people were arrested in France overnight in clashes between police and protesters angry over conservative Nicolas Sarkozy's victory in Sunday's presidential election, police said.
Official figures released on Monday said demonstrators set fire to 730 cars and injured 78 policemen across France, with 592 people arrested in the violent protests against the tough-talking former interior minister.
The tally was revised sharply upwards after an initial report appeared to downplay the clashes and was at odds with local police figures and eyewitness reports, which suggested widespread troubles in numerous French cities.
Sarkozy made his name as a law-and-order hardliner who also tightened France's immigration laws, making him a hate figure for the left. Slogans spray-painted on the streets of Paris overnight included "Sarkozy fascist."
Leftist sympathizers clashed with police in and around Paris's Place de la Bastille after Sarkozy's victory against Socialist Segolene Royal and security forces fired tear gas and at least one burst of water cannon to disperse the crowd.
Youths went on the rampage in adjoining streets, smashing phone cabins and shop windows.
"Everyone got hit," said Sophie Wolkowitch, whose pharmacy suffered 14,000 euros ($19,000) of damage.
Similar attacks were reported in the southeastern city of Lyon and the southern city of Toulouse. Bus shelters were smashed in the northern city of Lille and a school was set on fire in the Paris suburb of Evry.
In the northern department clustered around Lille, about 100 cars were torched, the fire brigade said.
In Nantes, 26 people were held for questioning and six police were slightly injured after 1,000 people joined a march against Sarkozy in the western city, said Yves Monard, head of public security of the Loire-Atlantique department.
Cars and shop windows were also damaged in Nantes while to the northwest, in Caen, four police were hurt and an attempt was made to set fire to the local office of Sarkozy's UMP party.
Sarkozy is a particularly controversial figure in France's poor, multi-ethnic suburbs, which were the epicenter of three weeks of rioting in 2005.
At the time Sarkozy branded the troublemakers as scum and Royal said last week that a victory by her opponent would provoke violence in French suburbs.
However, an internal police memo obtained by Reuters said there was no large-scale trouble there.
"The second round of the presidential election did not generate any large demonstrations of urban violence in sensitive neighborhoods," said the memo.
It added that the level of violence was above that usually seen on July 14 Bastille Day, France's national holiday, "but below that of New Year's celebrations."
Police say on an average just over 100 cars are set ablaze in France each night. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070507/wl_nm/france_election_violence_dc
Imagine if there had been violence like this after an election in America!
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PARIS (Reuters) - Between 300 and 400 youths protesting against French president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy smashed shop windows, burnt scooters and clashed with police in central Paris on Monday evening, Reuters witnesses said.
Several hundred riot police tried to chase the youths, who gathered in the Place de la Bastille chanting anti-Sarkozy slogans on two separate occasions during the evening.
At least two scooters were burnt, telephone cabins were smashed and several cars were damaged. Around 35 people were arrested and there were several clashes between the youths and police.
In Nantes, in western France, around 400 protesters gathered in the centre of the town. They smashed windows and damaged several cars before being dispersed by police with tear gas.
Around 500 protesters gathered in Lyon eastern France, and in Caen in northern France around 800 people demonstrated in the centre of the town. French radio said there were other protests in other towns.
Sarkozy's win on Sunday night was marred by violence. Overnight demonstrators set fire to 730 cars and injured 78 policemen. |
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070507/tpl-uk-france-election-protest-9e08e31.html
I like that the police this time are fighting back and arresting the thugs. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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I would like to encourage the disenfranchised masses in France to riot and rise up in popular revolt, it has worked so well for them in the past, that and surrender.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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They are still at it!
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PARIS (AFP) - Protesters clashed with police and burned cars in cities across France for a second night after Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential victory, prompting leaders of the defeated Socialists to appeal Tuesday for calm.
Some 500 youths shouting "Sarko, fascist!" went on a rampage in the Bastille district of eastern Paris on Monday night, burning 10 cars, looting two stores including a supermarket and smashing windows, police said.
A total of 218 people were detained during four hours of clashes in which protesters threw stones, beer cans and bottles at police, one of whom was injured. Fifteen people remained in custody on Tuesday.
Anti-Sarkozy protests turned violent overnight in France's second city of Lyon, in Lille, Toulouse, Nantes and Rennes.
More than 500 cars were set alight in cities and suburbs across the country, according to police reports gathered by AFP, many more than the 70 to 100 vehicles that are attacked on an average night in France. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Imagine if there had been violence like this after an election in America!
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It'd never happen! We only riot for good reasons. Like assassinations, unfavorable court decisions, and NBA championships. |
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