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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Imported Chinese Kimchi Reply with quote

Is anyone eating Doosan brand imported Chinese Kimchi? This brand is widely exported worldwide. I found it in Thailand. I swear it is exactly the same as what I found in the silver pouches at small stores in Korea. Taste is the same. Even the picture looks the same. It's supervised by "Korea Chongga." A lot of Koreans I spoke with said that Chinese Kimchi is of poor quality and dirty. However, this package says "Chongga kimchi is made in the traditional way and it brings out the original taste. It symbolizes the highest quality of Korean Kimchi." Can anyone verify this?
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmm, made in a country that's even more dirty than Korea...no thanks, I ain't looking to save 2,000 won at the expense of life. Thanks anyway!
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's "organic" you know. They use human waste as fertilizer, as opposed to chemical fertilizers. You have to trust they're washing the cabbage well and you're not getting a packet of fecal chi.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most store-bought kimchi is made in China.
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
It's "organic" you know. They use human waste as fertilizer, as opposed to chemical fertilizers. You have to trust they're washing the cabbage well and you're not getting a packet of fecal chi.


I thought the kimchi tasted kinda like shit. Shocked
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Most store-bought kimchi is made in China.

That is what I thought too. I think Koreans use human waste too as fertilizer. I know I saw a quite a few Koreans taking a piss and poop right among the chinese cabbage in broad daylight like it was not big deal. Jeez if they don't use human waste, they still have to use some other waste from animals, dogs, pigs, cows, chickens what have you. So maybe it's just a myth that isn't true "Chinese kimchi is dirty and of poor quality." I know the Japanese are afraid of Korean kimchi because so much of it was found to have a type of insect, worm or larve in it.
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this out about the history of kimchi and I thought it was very interesting:

"The history of kimchi traces back to ancient times. References to kimchi can be found as early as 2600-3000 years ago.[1] The first text-written evidence of its existence can be found in the first Chinese poetry book, ShiKyung. In this book, kimchi was referred as �Ji�, the term used before it was known as �Chimchae�.[2]

The earliest form of kimchi consisted of only salted vegetables. It was in the 12th century when people began to include other spices to create different flavors, such as sweet and sour savor, and colors of kimchi, such as white and orange.[3]

It is also interesting to note that chili peppers, now a standard ingredient in kimchi, were unknown in Korea until the early 17th century. Chili peppers originated from New World and were introduced to East Asia by western traders.[4] This particular style of kimchi made chili peppers and Napa cabbage, gained popularily in the 19th century and this baechu kimchi continues to be the most common and popular form of kimchi today.[5]"
Sooooooooooooooo, all kimchi today stems from westernization. Do the Koreans know this? If it weren't for westerners, you wouldn't be eating kimchi as you know it, with chili peppers. Yes, chili peppers came from westerners trading with you just a few years ago.

I'm sure we've all heard Koreans praddle on and on about the health benefits about kimchi and maybe they really are on to something here. I lived in Korea for a few years and I never knew all this:

"Kimchi has been cited by Health Magazine as one of the world�s five �healthiest foods,� for being rich in vitamins, aiding digestion, and perhaps even preventing cancer. [8]

Since kimchi is made of various vegetables, it contains a high concentration of dietary fibers, while being low in calories. It also provides 80% of the daily required amount of ascorbic acid and carotene.[9] Most types of kimchi contain common ingredients like onions, garlic and peppers all of which have well-known health benefits. The vegetables being made into kimchi also contributes to the overall nutritional value. Kimchi is rich in vitamin A, thiamine (B1), riboflavin (B2), calcium and iron [10] [11] and also has active and beneficial bacterial cultures of Lactobacilli[12] which results in a higher lactic acid content in the final product than in yoghurt."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas; they are now grown around the world because they are widely used as spices or vegetables in cuisine, and as medicine.


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bangbayed



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:
Hater Depot wrote:
Most store-bought kimchi is made in China.

That is what I thought too. I think Koreans use human waste too as fertilizer. I know I saw a quite a few Koreans taking a piss and poop right among the chinese cabbage in broad daylight like it was not big deal. Jeez if they don't use human waste, they still have to use some other waste from animals, dogs, pigs, cows, chickens what have you. So maybe it's just a myth that isn't true "Chinese kimchi is dirty and of poor quality." I know the Japanese are afraid of Korean kimchi because so much of it was found to have a type of insect, worm or larve in it.


Traditionally in Asia, human waste has been commonly used for many purposes. It used to be in Korea, and still is in rural parts of China, the case that pigs fed on human waste are supposedly more delicious and therefore more expensive than pigs fed on slop.

If you've ever backpacked around and gone to an outhouse only to find a pig scurrying around the bottom of the hole, you know what I'm talking about.
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangbayed wrote:
Vicissitude wrote:
Hater Depot wrote:
Most store-bought kimchi is made in China.

That is what I thought too. I think Koreans use human waste too as fertilizer. I know I saw a quite a few Koreans taking a piss and poop right among the chinese cabbage in broad daylight like it was not big deal. Jeez if they don't use human waste, they still have to use some other waste from animals, dogs, pigs, cows, chickens what have you. So maybe it's just a myth that isn't true "Chinese kimchi is dirty and of poor quality." I know the Japanese are afraid of Korean kimchi because so much of it was found to have a type of insect, worm or larve in it.


Traditionally in Asia, human waste has been commonly used for many purposes. It used to be in Korea, and still is in rural parts of China, the case that pigs fed on human waste are supposedly more delicious and therefore more expensive than pigs fed on slop.

If you've ever backpacked around and gone to an outhouse only to find a pig scurrying around the bottom of the hole, you know what I'm talking about.


Thanks for giving me culture shock today. Shocked Shocked Shocked I needed it!
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know the Japanese are afraid of Korean kimchi because so much of it was found to have a type of insect, worm or larve in it.


But nothing was found which was mature enough to do harm. Safe to eat.

And as Mythbusters once demonstrated, there is poo everywhere. Revel in it, friends.
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
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Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas; they are now grown around the world because they are widely used as spices or vegetables in cuisine, and as medicine.


Laughing Laughing Laughing


Well, well, well, I am learning something every day:
"History
Chili peppers have been a part of the human diet in the Americas since at least 7500 BC and perhaps earlier. There is archaeological evidence at sites located in southwestern Ecuador that chili peppers were already well domesticated more than 6000 years ago [1][2], and is one of the first cultivated crops in the Americas.

Chili peppers are thought to have been domesticated at least five times by prehistoric peoples in different parts of South, Central and North America, from Peru in the south to Mexico in the north and parts of Colorado and New Mexico (Ancient Pueblo Peoples).[3]

In the publication Svensk Botanisk Tidskrift (1995), Professor Hakon Hjelmqvist published an article on pre-Columbian chili peppers in Europe. In an archaeological dig in the block of St. Botulf in Lund, archaeologists claimed to have found a Capsicum frutescens in a layer dating to the 13th century. Hjelmqvist also claims that Capsicum was described by the Greek Therophrasteus (370-286 BC). He also mentions other antique sources. The Roman poet Martialis (around the 1st century) described "Pipervee crudum" (raw pepper) to be long and containing seeds. The description of the plants does not fit pepper, which does also not grow well in European climates. [4]

Christopher Columbus was one of the first Europeans to encounter them (in the Caribbean), and called them "peppers" because of their similarity in taste (though not in appearance) with the Old World peppers of the Piper genus. Columbus was keen to prove (incorrectly) that he had in fact opened a new direct nautical route to Asia, contrary to reality and the expert consensus of the time, and it has been speculated that he was therefore inclined to denote these new substances as "pepper" in order to associate them with the known Asian spice[citation needed].

Chilis were cultivated around the globe after Columbus' time.[5] [6] Diego �lvarez Chanca, a physician on Columbus' second voyage to the West Indies in 1493, brought the first chili peppers to Spain, and first wrote about their medicinal effects in 1494.

From Mexico, at the time the Spanish colony that controlled commerce with Asia, chili peppers spread rapidly into the Philippines and then to India, China, Korea and Japan with the aid of European sailors. The new spice was quickly incorporated into the local cuisines.

An alternate sequence for chili pepper's spread has the Portuguese picking up the pepper from Spain, and thence to India, as described by Lizzie Collingham in her book Curry.[7] The evidence provided is that the chili pepper figures heavily in the cuisine of the Goan region of India, which was the site of a Portuguese colony (e.g. Vindaloo, an Indian interpretation of a Portuguese dish). Collingham also describes the journey of chili peppers from India, through Central Asia and Turkey, to Hungary, where it became the national spice in the form of paprika."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_pepper
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worse, I believe the chili pepper was introduced to Korea via Japan. Yeah, some Koreans go ape when they learn the chili pepper isn't indigenous and, in fact, hasn't even been part of the Korean diet for very long.
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Worse, I believe the chili pepper was introduced to Korea via Japan. Yeah, some Koreans go ape when they learn the chili pepper isn't indigenous and, in fact, hasn't even been part of the Korean diet for very long.

I bet they go ape when they hear this. Do you have a link to any source that says chili pepper was directly introduced to Korea by the Japanese because the information I have says it came directly to Korea via western traders. Have you mentioned that garlic was also primarly an African/Egyptian and later a western herb? I suspect that it was introduced to Korea around the same time that chili peppers were.

So the way I see it, Kimchi is not exactly a Korean invention. It starts with Chinese cabbage. The basic beginnings of this dish started in China with the fermentation process using basically salt. Then Chili was introduced by the west along with garlic. I think the only thing different that Koreans did was add chili and garlic and perhaps ginger too. Well, ginger is not indigenous to Korea either. It comes from Europe, I think, and goes back to the Roman times.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:

I bet they go ape when they hear this. Do you have a link to any source that says chili pepper was directly introduced to Korea by the Japanese because the information I have says it came directly to Korea via western traders. Have you mentioned that garlic was also primarly an African/Egyptian and later a western herb? I suspect that it was introduced to Korea around the same time that chili peppers were.


To be accurate, I stated: "the chili pepper was introduced to Korea via Japan." So not by the Japanese per se but via or by way of Japan. According to this site, Portuguese traders in Japan brought it over to Korea.

http://www.wwoofjapan.co.kr/english/board/information4.htm
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