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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Actually, it is based on reality. I worked in the projects. Did you? I knew of crimes and bad things in the inner city that just wouldn't hit the news.
Katrina speaks volumes. Affirmative action doesn't mean black people aren't neglected. Don't take this as a support of affirmative action for black or hispanic people; I don't support that. I support it for people who are in poverty and making some effort to get somewhat decent grades regardless of their race. |
I not only worked (taught) but lived in the inner city for a decade. Next question. I know you want to pigeon hole me so you can dismiss my arguments but it ain't cookin.'
I am so sick of hearing about Katrina. Much of the reason it happened is because far too many blacks didn't leave when they were warned to. The governor was a Democrat and she was the one who declined aid until it was too late. And you might recall that there are whites who were stranded to, only they didn't go around the Superdome trying to kill and rape one another.
But glad you don't support affirmative action. It cripples black motivation. I've seen it time and time again. Moreover, it builds resentment among students who wouldn't otherwise have it and creates legitimate doubt about the education of those who benefit from it.
Ken Hamblin, a middle-aged black man with his own nationwide radio show, "The Black Avenger," has described the current malaise in the black community as a tragedy and a moral affliction. While that is certainly not true of all blacks, it sums things up. A friend of mine who speaks five languages and comes from Niger told me once he was appalled by the victim mentality that American blacks have and offended that they considered themselves African simply by virtue of their skin color and ancestor's heritage. I've heard the same from many Africans who study in American universities. But you won't hear that from the NAACP or the Democratic leaders. Easier to pander to the lowest common denominator than push for real change.
Money does not quality education make. The Kansas City School District found that out the hard way, to the tune of 8 billion dollars, after a decade of meeting the wish list of the minority leaders there and coming up empty handed on attendance, test scores, and the like. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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What a pile of racist crap. Did you not read the part where Americans cheat MORE than the French? And, where in the article did it mention race? It didn't. And how does "cheating" equate to out-of-wedlock births?
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I noticed this to. Steve, how do you contradict your own bloody article?
That was one of the funniest mindless rants I've heard by Steve.
And I love how he tries to tie religion into his argument. Stevie, you're always good for a laugh...
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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What a pile of racist crap. Did you not read the part where Americans cheat MORE than the French? And, where in the article did it mention race? It didn't. And how does "cheating" equate to out-of-wedlock births?
Disgusting spin. |
I noticed this to. Steve, how do you contradict your own bloody article?
That was one of the funniest mindless rants I've heard by Steve.
And I love how he tries to try religion into his argument. Stevie, you're always good for a laugh... |
I think I pointed that out as well that out of wedlock births are not the same as cheating. I suppose both are against religious precepts, but it is not the same as adultery. There is no cheating involved when someone has a kid out of wedlock. Religious control can regulate out of wedlock births and adultery by severe social pressure, but that is not what the article was about. I agree with that. Of course, a sense of ethics is important to people being just to their spouses and children. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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MagicMushroomMan:
You're beginning to sound like EFLT's older brother.
How did I contradict myself. Please elaborate, your Eminence.
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I guess Royal doesn't need to worry about adultery since she's not even properly married despite having four kids.
Gotta love those Godless French socialists, including Foucault, Derrida, Lyotard, and other mindless wonders.
Let me make this plain, endo: I don't trust anyone who is without religious belief, especially when they talk about humanity. It takes incredible arrogance to believe that as one person on this small planet that one is the center of the universe. So can an atheist be a "good" person in the conventional sense of the word. Of course, one can. Are some religious people bad? The name bin Laden comes to mind. But all in all religious belief brings with it a certain humility and disdain for hedonism and the aberrant behavior it breeds.
And those on the far left and also libertarians are most likely to be atheists. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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I guess Royal doesn't need to worry about adultery since she's not even properly married despite having four kids.
Gotta love those Godless French socialists, including Foucault, Derrida, Lyotard, and other mindless wonders.
Let me make this plain, endo: I don't trust anyone who is without religious belief, especially when they talk about humanity. It takes incredible arrogance to believe that as one person on this small planet that one is the center of the universe. So can an atheist be a "good" person in the conventional sense of the word. Of course, one can. Are some religious people bad? The name bin Laden comes to mind. But all in all religious belief brings with it a certain humility and disdain for hedonism and the aberrant behavior it breeds.
And those on the far left and also libertarians are most likely to be atheists. |
Just because Royal's relationship isn't enshrined in marriage doesn't allow you to imply adultery, or promiscuity. Marriage doesn't necessarily equal monogamy. It's an emotive charge, (I thought rightists didn't like that sort of thing) and not borne out by any facts that I'm aware of.
It's the same flawed logic you use to assme atheists lack humility, don't desdain hedonism, or it's "aberrant behaviour", because they don't accept religion - or any gods. What you need to accept a god(s) in order to have those qualities or opinions?
Do we really need to start citing all the evangelical preachers who seem to lack humilty and a desdain of hedonism? Even more disturbing is that the list of qualities you are commending would be wildly applauded by most fundamentalist imans.
Maybe there's a lot more diversity and nuance in people then you're portraying here. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Money does not quality education make. The Kansas City School District found that out the hard way, to the tune of 8 billion dollars, after a decade of meeting the wish list of the minority leaders there and coming up empty handed on attendance, test scores, and the like. |
Steve, I didn't say throwing money at the problem solves the problem. However, money for cleaning up the projects, fighting gangs, getting people rehabilitated that's another thing and economic incentives to break out the cycle. As the article you quoted showed that poverty and morality decline often go hand-in-hand. As far as prejudice, though I don't support affirmative action for one race, I know prejudice is out there against the black man. I remember when seeing crazy things happening at my school and the media ignoring it. If it happened at a white school, they would have been all over it. Of course, there is prejudice against white people from the black population, and I don't dismiss there is a problem with a firm foundation of ethics governing the behavior of a large percentage of African American males. You can say the same about Native Americans. It is not that simple to break negative cycles and just say a people has a morality crisis.
As far as religion, you have a suspicion of people who don't have a religion or are not so religious. In America, church attendance is much higher than it is in Canada. Yet, in Canada, the divorce rate is lower considerably than in the U.S. Obviously, broadcasting religiousity is not the answer and many Canadians who are not so religious may have ethics that differ from traditional ways of following religion. Not everyone who is a-religious is a socialist or whatever. I have a great friend from the South who is an atheist, but he is very ethical. I don't think you should be so simplistic about these things. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I am so sick of hearing about Katrina. Much of the reason it happened is because far too many blacks didn't leave when they were warned to. The governor was a Democrat and she was the one who declined aid until it was too late[/color]. And you might recall that there are whites who were stranded to, only they didn't go around the Superdome trying to kill and rape one another. |
Oh, I think I'm going to puke up my noodles out of my nostrils now. What a stupid troll!!! My grandmother's neighbors were stuck in that dome while they were on vacation down there. So I heard first hand about what happened. NO ONE was warned until it was too late. @#%*. not even the white people. It was a terrible experience! Oh gawd, I could go on and on about what they experienced. The biggest trouble was with the US military that kept the people inside at gun point and wouldn't let people out or offer them any help whatsoever. Every single person was desperate for food and water and medical care. In such a case anarchy ruled the day. You can thank Cuntalisa Rice Crakers for that one and her Georgie monkey for that. They were the ones who refused international aid from various countries when time was of the essence.
People, people, people, don't get the idea that every America is like this troll. Liberal and democrats hate these idiots. We hate everything they stand for... bigotry, racism, corruption of big business etc. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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Stevie boy, your adultry figures are way way off. Do some more research. Adultery in America is widespread, yes even among your fellow conservatives. I won't even mention the likes of Jim Baker, Jimmy Swagger... Just take a look at this article:
"How prevalent is adultery? Two of the most reliable studies come to similar conclusions. The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior estimates that "More than one-third of men and one-quarter of women admit having had at least one extramarital sexual experience."{1} A survey by the National Opinion Research Center (University of Chicago) found lower percentages: 25 percent of men had been unfaithful and 17 percent of women. Even when these lower ratios are applied to the current adult population, that means that some 19 million husbands and 12 million wives have had an affair.{2}"
It's even from one your your conservative right wing Christian groups.
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/adultery.html |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| �If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?� |
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| �If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?� |
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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That's a great quote. Sometimes people assume that a society with a lot of religion is very good. Take a look at Israel and the Middle East. They have plenty of religion and look at the internal problems. The U.S. has tons of religion and look at the internal problems and hypocricy. I think it is not simple to just look at religion. The ethics of a people are important and going to synagogues or churches don't make one have ethics. We have seen plenty of that in the Deep South of the U.S. and in Korea and among Muslims. I think ethics are important and religion can play a role in fostering ethics depending on how the larger culture is interpreting and living that out. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: ADULTERY: A CROSS-CULTURAL STUDY |
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| Incidentally, two college classmates of mine who joined the Peace Corps after graduation were stationed in the Cameroons and in Tanzania. Neither was attractive by their own admission, or rich, yet they wrote letters describing how many girls, ages 13 to 20, used to visit their tents in the evening hoping to sleep with them without any real ulterior motive. |
No sorry buddie, they were likely prostitutes. It's not like the savage black woman of the dark continent are taken over with uncontrolable feelings of lust whenever they see scrawney nerdy white men.
 unbelievable Stevie!
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| Russia, as we all know, is very corrupt and religion was nearly destroyed by the communists, so the attitude of cheating in general has become entrenched. |
Ahh... I see, no religion = cheating!
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| Despite their reputation, the French adhere to their Catholic faith far more than many other Europeans. |
Wait, is Stevie supporting the French. first the european court and now the French! Hell certainly has frozen over.
Religion saves the day!
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| I'd love to know what it is in the Middle East. I know that many Muslim men go apesh-it when travelling abroad. I've seen it firsthand. And more than a few force relationships on their mostly Filipina servants. But that's not P.C. to mention, either, is it? |
Well if a woman cheats she's likey dead. Good job religion! |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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Stevie, your arguments have become so weak and pathetic lately that you really need to take a break and regain you energy.
Go back to Jim Jones University and come back when you can actually make a viable argument. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Stevie, your arguments have become so weak and pathetic lately that you really need to take a break and regain you energy.
Go back to Jim Jones University and come back when you can actually make a viable argument. |
I second that. I am not even going to attempt to rebutt such "Forrest Gump" like mental wanderings.
As Swift also said, "the problem of the world is not that it doesn't have enough religion but that it doesn't have enough" (of the real kind, not your packaged and bought, processed piety. ).
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| No sorry buddie, they were likely prostitutes. It's not like the savage black woman of the dark continent are taken over with uncontrolable feelings of lust whenever they see scrawney nerdy white men. |
I see. So you know the situation better than he did, eh? Nothing presumptuous about that, is there? For your information, buster, even the school headmaster visited him one evening apologizing for the overtures of some of the students. None were prostitutes. They were enamored with him; he was witty, friendly, kind and held a certain exotic attraction. And they were screwing around with one another (this in the 1980s) more than hamsters on crack.
So don't make me responsible for your dark continent thoughts, mushroom man.
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| I am not even going to attempt to rebutt such "Forrest Gump" like mental wanderings. |
Oh, thanks so much for sparing me your scathing forensic skills.
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I never said that more religion necessarily equates to more humility and less sexual promiscuity. I was referring to Christianity and to those who genuinely practice their Christian beliefs. Of course one can claim to be Christian and yet lead a hedonistic life. But claiming and taking it on in your heart are two different things.
Although King, according to James Farmer, his civil rights contemporary in the Southern Baptist Convention, had affairs he was never proud of them and tried to repent for his wrongs. A real Christian is not immune to adultery, obviously, but is less likely to stray from the fold. That's the point. Of course you have your Swaggerts and Robertsons and Bakers, but they're hardly the norm. And better to divorce before looking for sex elsewhere than to live a lie.
An atheist can be principled and can avoid hedonism but most I've known or read about are prone to narcissism.
You can try once again to peg me as a racist or narrow-minded if you wish but as they say in Texas, "that dog don't hunt." |
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