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[Ilsanman]

I am glad to see this thread take a turn for the enlightened.

I was about to post about the Shinto religion, but I was beaten to it.

Anyways, it is impossible to know what Korea and China's reactions to moving the war criminals, but we can speculate. I also guess that it wouldn't appease them. It would be the first step of Korea and China telling Japan exactly how to run their country. A step in the wrong direction.

[chris_J2]

Not only have I been to Nagasaki's Atomic bomb museum, but also Hiroshima, in August last year. Personally, I found Nagasaki to be far more 'confronting'. I remember the human wrist bone embedded in molten glass. Guri Guy & I are in agreement, that this must never happen again.

I don't see how the "RAPE of Nanking" is irrelevant to a discussion on the rape of comfort women. Thousands of Chinese women were raped & murdered there in 1937/38, & their bodies thrown into the Yangzi River. The very first comfort station was established in Shanghai in 1932, but large scale stations were only established after the Nanking (now called Nanjing) massacre of 1937/38, following the ensuing, severe international outcry. It was a Japanese Government attempt to prevent the uncontrolled, 'open slather' & debauchery, of Japanese soldiers on the rampage.

Abe is wrong, & well known for his nationalist leanings (the very same as the Korean nationalism that you criticize, GG). His popularity is at an all time low & he's desperate to stay in power. His attempt to rescind the Kono Statement has backfired. The United States has been drawn into the fracas. "Rep. Michael Honda, a U.S. congressman of Japanese descent, submitted a resolution to the U.S. House in January pressing Japan to acknowledge its responsibility for the atrocities suffered by comfort women and to unequivocally apologize. Canada's motion is the first to demand compensation by Tokyo."

Source: http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/2007/03/canadian-parliamentarians-demand.html

Jan Ruff O�Herne WAS kidnapped in Java, by the Japanese military, & was 'selected' by a GMO.

I visited Japan last August & liked it. I have several Japanese friends in Australia who emigrated.

[contrarian]

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, against the advice of Admiral Yamamoto, who then lead the bombing.

He said: I fear we have awakened the sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.

3.5 years later the Americans bombed Hiroshima and Nagaski. One of the reasons, among others was payback. The other was to avoid the casualties of invading the Japanese home islands. They brought it upon themselves and have no one else to blame.

The Rape of Nanking. The comfort women. All brought to you by a nast ethnocentric nation that still refuses to admit that it what they are. COnfession is good for the soul, personal or national.

Tell me Guri, have you done any work on minimising or rewriting the history of the Holocaust? That is your king of project.

[Guri Guy]

Contrarian slimed:

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[Ilsanman]

Abe may be trashed for being nationalistic, but it is a step that Japan needs to make. They have been verbally trashed and brow-beaten by so many nations recently, it's time to stand up and say 'enough is enough.'

It isn't enough that Korea has stolen 2 bird shit covered rocks belonging to Japan, but Russia stole 2 or more large islands from them. China also has a land dispute with Japan, but I am not sure over what or who is in the right.

Shall Japan sit idly by while other nations pick it to pieces?

[Ilsanman]

If he's such a moron, then why don't you prove you're smarter than him? You haven't yet. Time to cash that cheque your fingers just wrote.

So quick to name call people who have differing opinions than yourself. It just makes you look uneducated.

[contrarian]

To make things clear. I am adamantly pro Korean on this issue. I am also a self admitted neo-con. Anyone who doesn't like that has my sympathy, a word that comes just befofe syphillis in the dictionary and has about the same effect.


By the way, I have read your posts and find them quite sophmoric. All form and no substance

Isn't it amazing that Guri gets the proof of the comfort women dispute totally backwards. Anyone that has been within a country mile of an Anglo/American courtroom would know that viva voce (spoken) evidence is the prime source of evidence and documentary evidence only buttresses that spoken evidence.

Docments are just too easy to "create"

And then there is this little gem of human empathy: "Although it is heart wrenching to see old women cry, their words can't simply be accepted as gospel truth. They need to be independently verified."



They veryify each other, with or without documentary evidence. As the Bible (actually Jesus) says: In the mouth of two or more witnesses must every word be established.

You speak of the Nuremberg trials. What a great idea. Any Japanese left who particpated could be put on trial, in the Japanese court system where there is a presumption of guilt.

ilsan man says:

Shall Japan sit idly by while other nations pick it to pieces?

Ho humm! That's what they get for starting and losing a war. Dodo is Korean (and all of the fish and oil that might be found. The other islands were Russian before the Russo-Japanese war. Payback

[Summer Wine]

[jinju]

Contrarian speaks the truth.

Japan has an evil past they havent faced up to. Ill lay it on the line: anyone supporting Japan on this issue supports slavery and war crimes. Ilsanman, you are a joke. Take your lapdog Guriboy and kindly go to Japan, you will feel at ease among descendents of one of the most evil societies of the 20th centuries. You can drink sake and celebrate all of Japan's war crimes, from Manchuria to Korea and beyond.

[Guri Guy]

Whatever you say Jinju. BTW you seem to have an anti-communist bent. What do you think of the selling and trafficking of North Korean women as sex slaves to China? Your cowardly government sits idely by and in fact hinders them. Worse than doing nothing.
So get off your high horse and put your money where your mouth is.

Since when have I celebrated any Japanese war crimes? You are a sad, sad human being.



North Korean refugees in a Laos detention center and their letter asking for release. (From left) Choi Hyang, Choi Hyang-mi and Choi Hyuk. /Courtesy of Life Funds for North Korean Refugees.


Seoul's Mission in Laos 'Ignored Pleas From N.Koreans'

Teenage N.Korean Defectors Released in Laos
Teenage N.Korean Refugees Arrive in Seoul from Laos

The South Korean Embassy in Laos allegedly ignored pleas for help from three young North Koreans held by Lao authorities who could be deported to their Stalinist home country. Hiroshi Kato, the head of Japanese activist group Life Funds for North Korean Refugees, on Thursday revealed the identity of the young defectors and is working for their release. According to Kato, Choi Hyang, Choi Hyuk and Choi Hyang-mi are being held in a detention center near the capital Vientiane.

North Korean refugees in a Laos detention center and their letter asking for release. (From left) Choi Hyang, Choi Hyang-mi and Choi Hyuk. /Courtesy of Life Funds for North Korean Refugees.

The three were caught by Lao border patrols in November 2006 while attempting to cross the Mekong River into Thailand. They were sentenced to three months in prison. Choi Hyang and her brother Hyuk come from Hoeryong, North Hamgyong Province. After their mother starved to death in 1999, they lived with relatives but crossed the Tumen River into China along with other orphans. They decided to go to South Korea via Thailand with the help of missionaries in China. Choi Hyang-mi comes from Musan in the same province. Along with her mother and younger brother, she fled North Korea due to the lack of food there. But her mother was sold by human traffickers, and she lost her younger brother.

Although the three completed their jail term, they are still being held in what is billed as protective custody. According to Kato, North Korean Embassy officials verbally abused and threatened them, and they live in fear that they may be deported to North Korea. Kato has appealed to the U.S. and Japanese governments, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and other human rights organizations for the release of the young North Korean defectors. He said it is nearly certain that they will be deported to North Korea unless something is done right now.

Korean expatriates in Laos asked the South Korean Embassy there to work for the release of the North Korean young people when they were arrested and completed the jail term. But no embassy officials visited the young refugees, Kato said.

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"I was locked into a house and raped every night," said Kim Chun-ae, a matronly 51-year-old. "My teenage daughter was sold three times by traffickers. She was 'recycled'." Mrs Kim is lucky. After five years of imprisonment in labour camps and a man's bedroom she finally made it to South Korea. She left behind tens of thousands of women who made the same leap of faith only to end up in China.

South Korean charities say between 100,000 and 300,000 people have escaped North Korea in the nine years since famine swept Kim Jong-il's impoverished regime, killing two million. Most are still hiding in northern China, terrified of his infamous camps. Aid workers say between 70 and 90 per cent of women defectors have been sold for sex.

http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/002964.php

A 23-year-old woman from Hoeryong, North
Hamgyong Province, who travelled to China in
1998 because the PDS had stopped operation,
hoped to earn money and to help out her parents.
After two years, she was arrested by the Chinese
authorities and was sent back to North Korea. She
describes her experience at the Sinuiju State
Security Agency:
[A]ll the women prisoners were forced to strip down to
the skin for the purpose of having their anuses and
vaginas inspected for hidden money� Severe
beatings through the use of sticks, fists (punching),
and feet (kicking) were standard practice. Cells were
dank and infested with insects, fleas, lice and other
parasites. The food we received, a tiny quantity of
coarse corn and few pieces of boiled vegetables, was
so little that we were literally starving.47

http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/resources/PDF/Full%20Korea%20report%202005.pdf
This was 9 years ago. Where are the cries for justice? The demands for apologies? Morally bankrupt doesn't begin to describe it. Spineless gutless cowards sit idely by while their own flesh and blood are sold and abused. Enjoy your new plasma TVs and cool new cell phones. Keep drinking that soju and wolf down that samgyupsal. In 60 years maybe you can change history again. That'll make it all better. Right?

[Ilsanman]

Contrarian speaks very little turht actually. First I will address you.

Contrarian, Dokdo is not Korean. Well, maybe it is. That is if possession = owneership. Then so. Korea has failed to prove that they discovered it first. All they have proven is that they possess it now, they machine-gunned Japanese fishermen to death in the 1950's, and took them by force. You really need to do some research on that topic. Korea's story is full of holes.

Also, testimonies are not necessarily more truthful than documents. People can also lie with their words. If you don't understand, please look up 'lie' or 'to tell a lie' in the dictionary. It will become immediately clear.

Jinju, you truly belong in Korea. You can look straight at evidence and then just totally ignore it. So quick to throw insults and call names, but so slow to prove absolutely anything. I guess calling us haters and telling us to go to Japan makes you right.

I'll lay it on the proper line Jinju. Anyone who supports pre-1945 Japan supports slavery and war crimes. I support the Japan of 2007, who have not committed any war crimes or slavery in the length of both of our lifespans combined.

It's funny you mention slavery. Korea holds the record for the longest institutionalized system of slavery in the world.

[contrarian]

Guri:

The current Korean president is so worried of being critical of the North Koreans (and perhaps harming his legacy) that he has become an apologist for the North.

Somehow being referred to as a Waeguk is more acceptable than being referred to as a Gaijin (barbarian) by the Japs.

Ilsanman:

I was referring to the legal position in the US/Britain/Canada and etc. which has always given precedence to verbal evidence tested by cross-examination. Documentary evidence is hearsay and cannot be tested by cross examination unless the orginal maker of the document is available.

[chris_J2]

ilsanman wrote:

[Ilsanman]

The turht? You can't handle the turht!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would agree with you on removing the war criminals, but only if we knew for sure that it would appease and SHUT UP the Chinese and Koreans. Do you actually believe that?