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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigners. Reply with quote

have you ever had a place- ie restaurant or PC bang, say, gradually stop serving you because you were losing them customers?
Most places are Ok with me, but there is 1 PC bang and 1 restaurant in particular that hate to see me because their korean customers are afraid of me. I mean, I seem to clear them both out of customers within minutes.

a) PC Bang: Within about 10 minutes, every korean on my row has left.- sometimes they even turn off the computer then say to the management its not working and they want to sit somewhere else. etc. Anyhow, the boss's face falls like a stone whenever I walk in there, because he knows he'll lose about 20 customers because they just don't want to sit next to a foreigner.

b) restaurant: similar deal, this one started out great but over time they noticed that nobody wants to eat in the same room as a wayguk. So they started to serve me really late and take ages to get my order, finally seemingly missing out stuff on purpose. it was as if they were saying don't come here anymore because you're scaring off customers.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first question you must ask yourself is is there something wrong with you?
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had that happen with a kimbop shop. They would serve all the other Korean customers before me even though I arrived and ordered well before their arrival. There was a clear atmosphere of foreigner not welcome. I quit going there and found one that really treats me well. The new place is great.

I've found that it is hit and miss. There are the ultra anti-foreigner places, and the places that like foreigners. The places that like foreigners get all my business. I guess the places that don't like foreigners have enough money where they don't care about turning away customers.
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
I guess the places that don't like foreigners have enough money where they don't care about turning away customers.

I guess that ties in with the notion that turning away one foreigner is better for business than losing ten Koreans.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigner Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
have you ever had a place- ie restaurant or PC bang, say, gradually stop serving you because you were losing them customers?
Most places are Ok with me, but there is 1 PC bang and 1 restaurant in particular that hate to see me because their korean customers are afraid of me. I mean, I seem to clear them both out of customers within minutes.

a) PC Bang: Within about 10 minutes, every korean on my row has left.- sometimes they even turn off the computer then say to the management its not working and they want to sit somewhere else. etc. Anyhow, the boss's face falls like a stone whenever I walk in there, because he knows he'll lose about 20 customers because they just don't want to sit next to a foreigner.

b) restaurant: similar deal, this one started out great but over time they noticed that nobody wants to eat in the same room as a wayguk. So they started to serve me really late and take ages to get my order, finally seemingly missing out stuff on purpose. it was as if they were saying don't come here anymore because you're scaring off customers.


Are you obease?

Seriously, I'm curious.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigner Reply with quote

endo wrote:


Are you obease?

Seriously, I'm curious.


No.

I try to go into these places with a positive vibe but after the first person leaves, then that gets me pissed. The other Koreans pick up on this and then they dissapear too, the w***ers. Then it becomes a vicious circle: I expect every K-clone to veer away from me, so I fix them with a pitying look before they even abort landing.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first guess would be BO.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigner Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
endo wrote:


Are you obease?

Seriously, I'm curious.


No.

I try to go into these places with a positive vibe but after the first person leaves, then that gets me pissed. The other Koreans pick up on this and then they dissapear too, the w***ers. Then it becomes a vicious circle: I expect every K-clone to veer away from me, so I fix them with a pitying look before they even abort landing.



Are you in a small town? Are you overweight? Do you have tatoos? Do you have long hair?

I just don't know dude?
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would find this story preposterous, except for where he admits that after it happens once (could be BO or chance or scary stuff about the guy that drives off people who are very close by) he gives other Koreans the evil eye. Living in Korea for so many years, I never saw that I made customers edge away or move their seats in a restaurant or PC bang... occassionally a business owner or employees don't like foreigners much, but if you treat them nicely and chat with them, next thing you know, you're their favorite customer and you want to give them business just to see them again.

Why would a PC bang want a customer who hunches over a computer scaring the rest of the people in the row? Maybe rolling his eyes at their noise, cursing at their cigarette smoke, but definitely glaring at them unkindly. The PC bang owner is reacting to a situation that (if it exists) is being caused by an obnoxious foreigner.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the bright side, you get the whole row of seats/whole restaurant to yourself.

Enjoy.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julia Child wrote:
The OP's scrumptious, little recipe can be had by all, by simply mixing in some self-consciousness, a dollop of paranoia, a gallon of assumption, and a dash of over-sensitivity.

Heat at 350 for 30 minutes and then serve with mixed berries. Magnifique!

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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigner Reply with quote

Julius wrote:

No.

I try to go into these places with a positive vibe but after the first person leaves, then that gets me pissed. The other Koreans pick up on this and then they dissapear too, the w***ers. Then it becomes a vicious circle: I expect every K-clone to veer away from me, so I fix them with a pitying look before they even abort landing.


Reading this answer, I think the explanation is simpler. If someone leaves earlier than him, he gets pissed. Doesn't matter if the person is just ready to leave. He gets sensitive about it and starts acting aggressively toward other Koreans, who then leave.

Sometimes if you believe something is real hard enough, it becomes real.

There is actually a term for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_theorem
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been to two restaurants where they were filming for those weekend food tv specials, and they were working desperately to get my girlfriend to allow them to film us eating the food. They wouldn't offer compensation, though, so we were politely like "F off"

I don't think anyone ever left a PC bang because I was sitting there. On the contrary, I had a bunch of kids surrounding me all the freakin time when I was playing games.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
I've been to two restaurants where they were filming for those weekend food tv specials, and they were working desperately to get my girlfriend to allow them to film us eating the food. They wouldn't offer compensation, though, so we were politely like "F off"

I don't think anyone ever left a PC bang because I was sitting there. On the contrary, I had a bunch of kids surrounding me all the freakin time when I was playing games.


Me too. I hate being in cramped PC bangs with kids all around and bumping into my chair, while 7 have to stand around and watch the guy next to me play a game. That just happened to me yesterday for almost an hour.

But this thread just revealed PC bang repellent for these situations. Treat them like "K-Clones" and give them pitying looks! BRILLIANT!!!! Very Happy

/runs off to mirror to refine pitying look.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Korean establishments lose business by serving foreigner Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Julius wrote:

No.

I try to go into these places with a positive vibe but after the first person leaves, then that gets me pissed. The other Koreans pick up on this and then they dissapear too, the w***ers. Then it becomes a vicious circle: I expect every K-clone to veer away from me, so I fix them with a pitying look before they even abort landing.


Reading this answer, I think the explanation is simpler. If someone leaves earlier than him, he gets pissed. Doesn't matter if the person is just ready to leave. He gets sensitive about it and starts acting aggressively toward other Koreans, who then leave.

Sometimes if you believe something is real hard enough, it becomes real.

There is actually a term for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_theorem


Yeah, I didn't notice it the first time I read it, but the guy is basically saying that if he sits down and 1 other person then leaves, he'll get angry.

At any rate, I just don't buy it. Unless he's living out in the sticks or something. I thought the whole complaint about Koreans in PC bangs is that they don't notice anybody but themselves. Is a Korean really going to look up from his simultaneous PC game/cigarette smoking/K-ballad marathon to notice a foreigner?
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