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pharflung
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: FBI nails exec |
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Too bad.
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Ted Stevens has looked to me like a raving looner. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: Re: FBI nails my former boss on bribery charges |
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| pharflung wrote: |
| I post this not to gloat but to point out that you can end up working for a dishonest employer or crooked company back in the U.S., probably far more easily than in Korea. Some of you fixate on dishonest Koreans, as though Koreans invented dishonesty. They are pikers compared to some Americans. And frankly, I have had almost nothing but good experiences with Koreans. |
Did you see this article? A Country of Liars by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html
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National Intelligence Service director-designate Kim Seung-kyu, in a lecture he gave late in May when he was justice minister, said: "The three representative crimes of our country are perjury, libel and fraud." In simple comparison, not taking into account population ratio, South Korea saw 16 times as many perjury cases in 2003 than Japan, 39 times as many libel cases and 26 times as many instances of fraud. That is extraordinarily high given Japan's population is three times our own.
The common denominator of the three crimes is lying; in short, we live in a country of liars. The prosecution devotes 70 percent of its work to handling the three crimes, the former justice minister said. And because suspects lie so much, the indictment rate in fraud cases is 19.5 percent, in perjury 29 percent and in libel 43.1 percent. "Internationally, too, there is a perception that South Korea's representative crime is fraud," Kim said, adding that recent major scandals show how rampant lying is in this country. |
Corporate Korea's Corruption
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2986924
Korea Fails to Shed Corrupt Image
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2984893
6 in 10 car crash patients exaggerate, fake injuries
Bill proposed to stop the fraudulent practice
by Choi Ik-jae, JoongAng Daily (August 8, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2796218
Ex-pats Describe Korea's Culture of Corruption
by Kim Hong-jin, Chosun Ilbo (December 16, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412160027.html |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: FBI nails my former boss on bribery charges |
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| pharflung wrote: |
probably far more easily than in Korea....
And frankly, I have had almost nothing but good experiences with Koreans. |
I am the first to decry this sort of thing in my home country, but to compare the US and Korea in this regard is rather fanciful.
First, the cultural underpinnings are vastly different; the lines far more blurry.
Second, in the US this sort of thing is the exception, not the norm. In Korea it is still more the other way around. It is changing here, and it is, due to the one party stranglehold the last 6 years, now more common in the US. (Remember Bush doing nothing about Enron? Well, I lived in California at the time and it wreaked havoc on my finances.)
Keeping the above in mind, the sort of illegal activity we are discussing is common at all levels in Korea, while being relatively uncommon at all but the higher levels in the US. (But do keep in mind the above caveats.)
Personally, I have never worked for an employer in Korea that was 1oo% on the up-and-up. I have never worked for an employer in the US (to my knowledge) that could be called corrupt.
Further, often corruption in the US does not *directly* affect me. In Korea, it has put me at direct disadvantage/in danger *in every case.*
I am not quibbling that corruption exists in the US, but I am quibbling with your characterization of it as being in any way equal to the still relatively pervasive nature of it here in Korea. While I no longer see police walking into businesses and picking up their envelopes, there is still a great deal of corruption. |
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pharflung
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you may be missing the point. |
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